Why spike drinks when you can put it in the water?

Now, even better, we have bottled water and millions of fools who buy it!

Don't drink the water dude.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
I contend that drink spiking techniques were used. Why would they research this is not for implementation at some point?

I can testify, under oathe, and on a big screen live courtroom polygraph that the FBI OR CIA (not clear on which it was) DID indeed spike (LSD) the drink of one University of Texas student I know and still remember the student's name.

The student was not a drug-user and would never touch the stuff.

The student was then locked in a room of some sort (with barred windows). The student hallucinated Red Commies coming to get him and shot himself under the jaw. The bullet is still lodged in his brain.

Whether the "visions" were audially suggested by the CIA/FBI, unknown but probable.

The student did not own the gun. It was part of the MKUltra "test" I suppose.

The student, nor any of us, knew of MKUltra or anything like it at that time.

My story actually goes on for several years of time ... but, this is enough for now.

Yes, the GOVERNMENT DID spike LSD drinks to unwitting test subjects.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Why spike drinks when you can put it in the water?

Now, even better, we have bottled water and millions of fools who buy it!

Don't drink the water dude.

The reason, in my estimation, is to be able to place higher profile drugs in the system of an individual for specific and premeditated purposes - not for mere day to day complacency.

There is a difference...

While I find the LSD spiking a reprehensible act, that is not the reason for this thread.

he reason for this thread is to highlight the fact that the CIA studied, documented and eventually learned for application the use of sleight of hand.

That in itself is the point of the thread...to learn how to decieve people in front of their own eyes. LSD is not the only drug one can use to spike a drink. There is a laundry list of hypnotics that can be used to induce short term amnesia while retaining ambulatory capacity.

Now...we don't have admission to the above referenced narcotics (really now though?) but we do have admission to the sleight of hand reseach and training.

Why would the CIA do this?

And in my opinion, giving someone LSD without their knowledge is akin to a really terrible prank. What form of manipulation can be gained (save for 'loss of face')? The LSD is a red herring of sorts...

Yes, true. Though it was admitted to, it was implemented for interrogation and was also provided as an excuse that the family later learned was indeed a red herring.

Originally posted by jackflap
This person seemed normal to me, just worked and came home and was friendly. Ah yes, but do you know what they were doing online?

The interesting aspect is that normal human behaviour is not meant to be a routine...it's a societally propagated mode that people identify with normal. And when voicing concerns and curiosities outside of societally accepted communication is viewed as an issue (and it is in many cases) then people end up suppressing thoughts and behaviours that are other wise normal. It's the percieved denigration of basic human impulse that motivates some adverse behaviour.

And for the record...my friends know what I think and what I do online...

These people have resources to accommodate any spin they want to put on their evil deeds.

I would strike the term "evil" as it is a partisan term. But yes...they know how to spin...regardles if I agree with their actions (I don't).

There is a danger in using a high profile subject because of the danger of the high volume of interactions with other people he/she may have. The more people involved with the subject the more likely hood of someone noticing something that just isn't right.

Brilliant point.

The pharmaceuticals that are not for the general public? I wish the walls at Guantanamo could talk!

I have viewed a list from Springmeier. While their is some negative connotation with Springmeier, a bit of research (in my experience) vetted some of his work.

I'll post it when I get a chance in the next day...

I should add this...as life went on I saw a plethora of spooks emerge. One helped con the family business out of a nice salary while instructing everyone to run around with a paintbrush painting stripes on the floor, while simultaneously torpedoing my ass, as the company went under. His name was bill pettigrew, and he was slime. Very little grew ha ha. Another spook I busted so bad he was blushing, as he tried to pretend that we were seated in his office at a machine shop. Caught him bad in a lie, and his voice was all over the place. No wonder they have to frame innocent arabs now. This one was named vitro. He looked like Chaz Palmiteri. I think they had bugs up my ass since the ago of 4, maybe from birth, I am a little pissed that the Kaiser Soze quote was ripped from my study, and that 'curb your enthusiasm' from a reproach I gave to a pet in my backyard... You know, you really can't invent anything, or write a story if they 'own you', as they believe they do, so why bother. That's the secret to my soul. It's a free ride for me, due to oppressive technological reindeer games. I mean...it ALL belongs to the jews, you know? But by now there's no possibility of having any companionship. I learned that none of them matter. If you will, their servant is now their master. Let the jews fight over the mkultra tripe with the soviets or whatever. I know the zionist touch. Always with the hollywood stage fright humiliation routines. The Germans are so much nicer. It's all remote control now. Satellites, millimeter scanners, thought saturated pulsed microwaves...Like Pynchon said, in '73. There is still time.....but not anymore (I say). Hopefully, the beam will be aimed right where it belongs. It's coming, you know. I can feel them trying to take me apart, when I rest, jealous of what God won't give them for their evil. zap. Jolt. zap. jolt. They scar the amygdala and you lose fear. They hit the parietal lobes and when you manage to regain your memory (it helps to learn foreign sentences and keep them in the memory until 12 hours pass) you have your old memories back and even more memory space than before the hack. I guess that's where all the alzheimers is coming from, and some say they can scribe illness right on your cells. (they use a sort of electrorheological chain pattern) It's like fantasy to imagine a girl handling this scenario. Could you imagine the first date? As if I'm going to hold to some sort of conversational etiquette! Usually someone would just slash a tire while we'd be inside the restaurant eating. After a while the girls were elevated to high positions in the fashion world, for their trouble, after a date or two, with me. Later on, with tech advances, their cell would ring while we were first meeting, and they'd zoom away without a word.

HE'S AWAKE HE'S opened his eyes!!!! Turn it off...

Then the spun dreams come...I'll try to stay on the right track, and take it all, giving them nothing but spitfire in return.

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If I was a CIA agent, I'd be using any and all means at my disposal. The only considerations would be to plausible denial, personal welfare and not bringing attention to the Company. Spiking drinks to cause distress and paranoia of a target wouldn't matter at all...and is almost impossible to prove. The Mk-Ultra experiments and even the treatment of Paul Bennewitz reveals a different set of moral guidelines and are subject to bigger pictures than we know of.

A lot of these field studies in social engineering and manipulation led to the strategies used to inculcate dissent in foreign nations. Destabilising communities and 'stirring the pot' to ensure sock-puppet/US friendly leaders gained power is a legitimate outcome to these guys. Spiking drinks with one of many chemicals can eliminate foreign agents, opposing interests etc. Extraordinary rendition highlights what the CIA is willing to do to achieve a goal.

If these guys want to pretend their skirts are clean...let 'em, it's what they always do. IMO an agency that sanctioned arms-supply, drug-dealing and assassination in that time period would have no issue at all spiking drinks. It'd be naive or plain idiotic to believe them on this one.