World Cup stadium 'cow sacrifice' plan sparks row

World Cup stadium 'cow sacrifice' plan sparks row

A proposal to bless South Africa's World Cup stadiums by slaughtering a cow in each one has caused concern among animal rights activists.

Now we know the pagan rituals still go on in this society all over this world. Now what do you guys think on this?

Personally i do not mind its africas culture, and we will see how successful the world cup is next year.

Whats your views on this and do you agree with it......

reply to post by andy1033


Animal rights activists need to get a sense of humor. They are sacrificing a cow. So what! Cows get sacrificied every minute in the world so we can all have a nice tasty hamburger or mouth watering steak. I say let them sacrifice it. If it makes them win, then I say we start sacrificing a cow before every NFL game, and then turn it into some meat that people can eat as they watch the game. Just think of all the rabid NFL fans screaming and yelling, dressed in their favorite fan makeup with a bit of cow blood dribbling down their chin. Or think of NASCAR fans eating some bloody cow penis as they put new meaning into being a fan of Dick Trickle.

I think we should be trying to move into a more progressive society which doesn't call for such unnecessary rituals, let the world enjoy the spectacle of international football at its finest. Entertaining sport should be the only ritual taking place.

reply to post by andy1033

As far as I know there are no such plans in any official capacity.
The last two weeks there has been much vitriol between animal rights activists and traditionalists on animal sacrifice. This debate is sparked annually by the killing of a bull by bare-hands during the Zulu "first-fruit" festival (which is done in an area always designated for the Zulu people).
As is usual in South Africa, the debate has taken on racial overtones, with animal rights activists cast as Western. (Ironically, some of the main pro-animal people are black, and they claim it is not a defining or necessary feature of black "shamanism").
Animal sacrifice or not, almost anything in South Africa is nowadays blessed by traditional "sangomas" (medicine-men/witchdoctors).
Often this goes hand-in-hand with evangelical Christianity. Anyone who watches "African" or aimed-at-Africa evangelism will see how it is twisted to co-incide with local beliefs on witchcraft, or politics. Reinhart Bonnke, for examples, endlessly repeats the tale of the evil witches who tried to curse him, and they all got ashtma attacks. There is little proof that Africans understand such sermons outside their native cosmologies, and all they see is a more powerful form of witchcraft (and that's all that Christianity is in most of the world).
Shared conservative values often over-ride succint differences between Christians and traditional black "pagans". This is demonstrated by the black Shembe churches, which synthesize Africanism with Christianity. Our current President, Jacob Zuma is a polygmanist traditionalist, yet he alludes to Biblical metaphors (the "ANC will rule until Jesus returns"), and he appointed a Rhema pastor (Ray McCauly) as an unofficial moral advisor.
Is animal sacrifice only pagan? Blood sacrifice is a Biblical concept, and the Old Testament priests got to sell all the meat they bled to death. Nowadays the Western meat industry kills over 3 billion animals a year to the god of greed and commercialism. How pagan is that? Most pagans associate the mainstream with much more cruelty.
US and western people come here to shoot beautiful (and often canned) wild animals. Sort your own culture out first - that's what most Africans would say. I'm not anti-hunting, but must everything only be done for Jesus and Jehova? Animals are sacrificed to the ancestors, so they may intercede between God and humans. How pagan! Best to kill them just for the taste.



[edit on 1-12-2009 by halfoldman]

First of all stop calling soccer football it's just plain wrong. Secondly I don't agree with the slaughtering of animals as a sporting event but we do have to eat. Third and most important of all STOP calling Soccer Football.

[edit on 10-04-08 by Beach Bum]

Well, all I've heard in the last several years is how we should be tolerant and understanding of foreign cultures, so this seems like a good case for people to practice what they preach to me. Its not my thing, but if they want to sacrifice a cow in South Africa for some sport I have no interest in, I guess that's their business.

reply to post by Beach Bum




stop calling football soccer

if they want to do it, let them just use the meat.

i dont think they will waste it cuz then i would be mad. yummy yummy meat.

Originally posted by Beach Bum
First of all stop calling soccer football it's just plain wrong. Secondly I don't agree with the slaughtering of animals as a sporting event but we do have to eat. Third and most important of all STOP calling Soccer Football.

[edit on 10-04-08 by Beach Bum]

But I cannot ever figure out why football is called football. Your foot is almost never in connection with the ball.

reply to post by Aeons


because htey are mean and want steal the words best games name to make their sport better

Well, they need to do something to make the world's second most boring sport interesting.

Sorry, couldn't resist, lol.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Beach Bum
First of all stop calling soccer football it's just plain wrong. Secondly I don't agree with the slaughtering of animals as a sporting event but we do have to eat. Third and most important of all STOP calling Soccer Football.

[edit on 10-04-08 by Beach Bum]

But I cannot ever figure out why football is called football. Your foot is almost never in connection with the ball.

Soccer has more right than american footie to be called football. Americans use there hands like rugby.

Soccer should always have the name football, as the whole world sees it that way.

Well I'll start by saying that Soccer IS football, and was before the american basterdized version . Mind you I do love American Football.

And as far as this goes, it's part of their culture, a long standing culture of doing these things. It's not about the animal, they aren't going to torture it, and I am sure it will have a much better and more human death than if it were in a slaughter house.

That or being put down by PETA and stuffed in freezers to be disposed of without anybody knowing as they usually do it.

Silly humans...

~Keeper

I know American Pigskin Football Fans don't like it when the rest of the world call Soccer Football, but we are the only ones in the world that call it Soccer instead of Football. You do understand the reason why the world regards Americans the way they do is because we like to force our ideas on the rest of the world, even when the world is united in the way they do things.

That said...

As far as South Africa committing Animal Sacrifice to bless South African stadiums, then more power to them.

Yes, the practice is barbaric to our Western sensibilities, however it is something that we have no right deciding for them. It is up to the people of South Africa to determine whether it is part of their culture or if it should not be done. It is purely an internal matter that no one else should have a say in.

I personally think that it is barbaric and wouldn't condone such a practice in the U.S., but South Africa is an autonomous nation and not a part of American culture or society, nor are they governed by the U.S. As such, if South Africa determines that it is acceptable and their people are okay with that then the Animal Rights Activists have to learn to live with that.

Besides, you don't see Animal Rights Activists showing up to condemn Tail-Gaters in Texas who are BBQing a Cow or Pig at their favorite Sporting Events do you? Really, how is that any different?

Wow we have some serious American football haters here. Firstly though we can't call our game anything else handball is already taken and just sounds wrong. But i would love to know how they got the name.

reply to post by fraterormus

I know American Pigskin Football Fans don't like it when the rest of the world call Soccer Football, but we are the only ones in the world that call it Soccer instead of Football. You do understand the reason why the world regards Americans the way they do is because we like to force our ideas on the rest of the world, even when the world is united in the way they do things.

Americans cannot help it that we are always right and the rest of the world is always wrong. You have to admit that American football is way better than that other football.

Originally posted by HotSauce
Americans cannot help it that we are always right and the rest of the world is always wrong. You have to admit that American football is way better than that other football.

You have nothing compares to the football world cup and the european champions league, where whole of europe compete for the biggest prize.

Football, is alot harder than eye hand games, and thats a fact.

A couple cows sacrificed at a stadium is nothing compared to, for the sake of argument, the millions of cows we kill for food.

Those activists need to get their heads out of their behinds.

Even those 200,000 animals sacrificed in India(?) was pennies compared to our meat industry.

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by andy1033

 

The last two weeks there has been much vitriol between animal rights activists and traditionalists on animal sacrifice. This debate is sparked annually by the killing of a bull by bare-hands during the Zulu "first-fruit" festival (which is done in an area always designated for the Zulu people)...
....................................... I'm not anti-hunting, but must everything only be done for Jesus and Jehova?

[edit on 1-12-2009 by halfoldman]

Wow.

How did this go from a zulu tradition to an anti Christian rant?

Ok whatever.

As far as the OP goes, who cares?
It's their damn stadium.
It's their bull.

Just cook and eat the thing when it's done and clean up after yourselves.

Can't have the ball getting all sticky.