Kandahar Mystery UCAV confirmed!, page 1
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Topic started on 1-12-2009 @ 10:17 AM by Canada_EH


More info to come. I will host images and pull info from previous articles and list of articles from all sites posting news as it becomes available!

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Previous possible images of mystery UCAV


Previous threads on subject of mystery UAV/UCAV
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you look at the last image you should note style of landing gear doors and the fact the it appears to be similar to the new or main image of the article. One more reason they are the same plane.



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reply posted on 1-12-2009 @ 10:29 AM by Romanian
beautiful !!

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reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 10:06 PM by TAGBOARD
Based on reviewing many opinions about images, there appears to be two aircraft - a "Hunter" and a "Killer" - by possibly two different contractors. The "Hunter" variant is the UAV in the first and third images released while the "Killer" is the manned aircraft in the second.

These aircraft are too small to carry any amount of armament after a lengthy ISR mission. When you run an analysis for a span loader aircraft, you find out the lack of trimmed lift (no tail), the mach numbers needed for turbofan, the pressure recovery on the LO inlets and the overall wing inefficiency (due to bulges, etc.) kill your endurance.

Add weapons to the ISR and satcom gear weight, translates to induced drag which burns fuel, and so on. This points to the need to spread out the payloads into two birds - ISR and satcom equipment in the UAV and pilot and armament in the manned variant. Put a pilot in the Killer to make final decisions on critical strikes and to keep collateral damage minimized to keep the ops quieter longer. CONOPS may be that the Hunter UAV flies 8 to 12 hour (max) missions, at night to stay less visible. The Killer variant engages targets with precision due to a pilot in the loop, but less endurance - just enough gas to complete the engagement and ferry out.

Hunter Variant - Northrop?

There may be single forward inlet on the upper surface, like many other LO flying wings. Two upper surface port and starboard bulges may house a MilSatCom transceiver (see work done at MIT Lincoln Labs at
www.ll.mit.edu... and www.af.mil...).

The lower centerline bulge, in front of the port side main gear doors, may house an EO/IR or miniSAR 3-axis turret. The small black items on the turtledeck and port side upper surface may be radar warning receivers, due to the more stringent LO requirements and SAM threats encountered. This may also indicate they are dealing with SAM protected targets, not necessarily soft targets.

The main landing gear look similar to the Northrop/Lockheed X-47B (see www.air-attack.com...), which indicates this variant may be done by Northrop. Notice, between the X-47B and the Hunter variant, that both main gear fold forward with a large drag brace from the front. Also there's a forward trunnion brace just above the main wheels.

The front gear door shows it's off-centerline and side folds. It could use a castoring wheel, with differential braking, like the Vari-EZE, for ground steering. The offset may allow the lower surface EO/IR turret to keep it's forward view for takeoff and landing. This allows manual piloting, like the Predator Ops. This allows the contractor to quickly field a UAV that has little time to perfect fully autonomous launch and recovery. There's a patent by Northrop for flying wings in cross winds at www.google.com...).

Killer Variant - LM or Boeing?

There are differences with the first and third images released. The wing leading edge appears to not be linear, but could be the view angle. The front gear folds aft. Looks like a wind screen for a pilot on the upper surface which may require a bifurcated duct opening to the upper surface or a centerline inlet opening to the lower surface, similar to JASSM. There's a real problem with inlet stall at higher angles of attack, so for a manned aircraft it'd be safer to stick with the belly inlet. This variant may also not need to be as LO as the Hunter, as it may spend less dwell time over the target area and the threats would be mapped out already by the Hunter, allowing the Killer to steer around them.

Developing two airframes with different systems seems too much for one contractor to handle, so it seems logical to award competitors different versions. This would also encourage competition and a "best of" design idea sharing.

Just some speculative thoughts.

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reply posted on 3-12-2009 @ 03:19 PM by Canada_EH
new article by Bill Sweetman now release.
www.aviationweek.com... 9a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a3a3730f4-c5f9-475c-be42-1fdc18846c1b&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

sorry for the length but all info is very informative on possible answers.

he photo confirms that the previous artists' impressions were largely accurate. The jet has long, slender outer wings, spanning as much as 80 feet, mated to a stouter, deeper centerbody with a pointed nose. One important detail: the overwing fairings are not B-2-like inlets, but cover some kind of equipment - satcoms on one side, perhaps, and a sensor on the other.

The most likely provenance of the airframe is Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works, and it is very likely to be associated with the Desert Prowler program - unearthed by historian Peter Merlin and "patchologist" Trevor Paglen. More background here, but it should be noted that Dave Fulghum reported in June 2001 on a plan to acquire 12-24 high altitude, stealthy UAVs. The effort had gathered pace after a US EP-3 SIGINT aircraft was forced to land in China in April, and went further underground after 9/11. It's believed that the first of a small batch of aircraft flew in late 2005 and were operational in Afghanistan in 2007 (where this photo was probably taken.)

Despite superficial similarity the Desert Prowler is not an immediate relative of the Polecat technology demonstrator tested in 2006. The latter incorporated advanced aerodynamic and structural features for a future long-range, very high-altitude UAV, while Desert Prowler is more conservative.

Perhaps the biggest mystery, though, is what the birds were doing in Kandahar. Why use a stealth aircraft against an adversary that doesn't have radar? And if it was part of some Secret Squirrel operation against the Taliban, what in the blue blazes was it doing outdoors in daylight?

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