Al Gore confronted on ClimateGate in Chicago

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 02:56 AM
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We need to clean up the environment. It's not just about global warming. I think cap and trade will only hurt those trying to survive. If Al Gore really cared about the environment he would not have used paper for a book, he would have put it in electronic form. Al Gore does not practice what he preaches.




posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Climategate: it's all unravelling now

blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

And here is a name I have been waiting for.

Ken Lay

So many new developments: which story do we pick? Maybe best to summarise, instead. After all, it’s not like you’re going to find much of this reported in the MSM.

1. Australia’s Senate rejects Emissions Trading Scheme for a second time. Or: so turkeys don’t vote Christmas. Expect to see a lot more of this: politicians starting to become aware their party’s position on AGW is completely out of kilter with the public mood and economic reality. Kevin Rudd’s Emissions Trading Scheme – what Andrew Bolt calls “a $114 billion green tax on everything” – would have wreaked havoc on the coal-dependent Australian economy. That’s why several opposition Liberal frontbenchers resigned rather than vote with the Government on ETS; why Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull lost his job; and why the Senate voted down the ETS.

2. Danes caught fiddling their carbon credits. (Hat tip: Philip Stott) Carbon trading is the Emperor’s New Clothes of international finance. It was invented by none other than Ken Lay, whose Enron would currently be one of the prime beneficiaries in the global alternative energy market, if it hadn’t been shown to be (nearly) as fraudulent as the current AGW scam. It is a licence to fleece, cheat and rob. Still, jolly embarrassing for the Danes to get caught red handed, what with their hosting a conference shortly in which the world’s leaders will try, straight-faced, to persuade us that carbon emissions trading is the only viable way of defeating ManBearPig.


It was invented by none other than Ken Lay, whose Enron would currently be one of the prime beneficiaries in the global alternative energy market, if it hadn’t been shown to be (nearly) as fraudulent as the current AGW scam.

en.wikipedia.org...


Who was the late Ken Lay, the architect and chairman of Enron throughout its 16-year history? All parties to the current legislative debate on a CO2 cap-and-trade bill should know. After all, Lay’s tireless efforts to promote CO2 regulation and enact renewable energy quotas make him a father figure for HR 2354, the Waxman-Markey climate bill, what I have called the Enron Revitalization Act of 2009.


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The Enron Revitalization Act of 2009 (from the Kyoto Protocol to Waxman-Markey)


The 219–212 passage of HR 2454 inspires another look at Enron’s infamous “Kyoto memo,” written almost 13 years ago by company lobbyist John Palmisano. Indeed, an Enron memo upon House passage of the Waxman-Markey climate bill would have been similar! Change the dates and some other specifics and the bottom line would be the same–potential gains for Enron’s profit centers in wind, solar, CO2-emissions trading, energy outsourcing, and natural gas.

One can imagine a quotation like this from Enron’s fabled public relations department, hyperbolizing a half-victory into something bigger in the attempt to create a bandwagon effect:

“This historic vote was heard ’round the world,” stated Kenneth L. Lay, chairman of Enron Corp. “Although much work remains before we have new law, HR 2454 signals a new commitment toward clean, green energy, of which Enron is the acknowledged world leader. All of us look forward to working with lawmakers and citizens in this new era of global climate protection.”

Perhaps Al Gore himself would have placed a call to Ken Lay to congratulate the company that did to much so spark the CO2 reduction debate within the industry in the 1980s and 1990s. Indeed, the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (US CAP), a bootleggers-and-Baptists coalition that had much to do with the opening draft of Waxman-Markey, probably had more to do with Ken Lay protégé James Rogers (now chairman of Duke Energy) than any other single person.

Reprinted below, verbatim, is the infamous Enron Kyoto Memo, the original copy of which is posted here.


masterresource.org...

www.politicalcapitalism.org...

Terry Thorn, Joe Hillings, Cynthia Sandherr, Jeff Keeler, Fiona Grant, Hap Boyd, Bill Shoff, Dan Badger, Tom Kearney, Lynda Clemmons, Bruce Stram, Mike Terraso, Rob Bradley, Jim O’Neill, John Hardy


Implications

If implemented, this agreement will do more to promote Enron’s business than will almost any other regulatory initiative outside of restructuring of the energy and natural gas industries in Europe and the United States. The potential to add incremental gas sales, and additional demand for renewable technology is enormous. In addition, a carbon emissions trading system will be developed. While the trading system will be implemented by 2008, I am sure that reductions will begin to trade with 1-2 years. Finally, Enron has immediate business opportunities which derive directly from this agreement.




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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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This is poor behavior that makes anyone wanting to make an actual intellectual contribution associated with these folks.

I mean come on, if white people can be the devil, christians can be "fill in the blank", and health care is a "woman's issue", then it's obvious American's tend to paint with a broad brush.

The good thing about using a broad brush is it really cuts down on thinking; more Jon & Kate plus 8 (god won't they die already?).

Anyway, acting the fool isn't what I'd call a "confrontation". If you want to do something, get some money, start a YouTube channel, and challenge him to a debate.

His interwebs sure are handy!

Love,
KJ



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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Anyway, acting the fool isn't what I'd call a "confrontation". If you want to do something, get some money, start a YouTube channel, and challenge him to a debate.



You think he would accept that challenge?



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

You think he would accept that challenge?


Mostly likely not, but it could be an open invitation. It also depends how many hits and attention you get.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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If Gore did accept, we should demand to go first and play the Youtube movies of JFK's illuminati warning and Eisenhower's military industrial complex warning speeches.
He would be stumped.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Ish, this is a great thread. The Climategate thing really, really pisses me off. It calls into question every single piece of science, IMO. It is a major, major showing of how science can present lies concealed by truth. Statisticians know that figures don't lie, but liars can sure figure. That is what happened with this.

Al Gore is the biggest charlatan of our generation. The snake oil he sold has cost more money than any Rube Goldberg, back page comic ad could ever dream of bilking. Xray vision, indeed.

good stuff, madam.


MY bigfatfurryfriend, how are you?

Yes we have been following this GW hype for quite some time now haven't we?

And TY for stopping by.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Granite
If Gore did accept, we should demand to go first and play the Youtube movies of JFK's illuminati warning and Eisenhower's military industrial complex warning speeches.
He would be stumped.


I haven't seen those.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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Al Gore is a main NWO spokesperson, a complete sellout who is their propaganda king.
JFK stood up to them in professionally written and delivered speech. He wouldn't sellout to Fed or secret societies.
Ike did the same, but at the end of his term. So he wasn't assassinated.
RFK was assassinated too, we sometimes forget his courage.

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posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
This behaviour on the protesters part, just confirms the mainstream medias image of nutty conspiracy theorists, yelling NWO in crowded book shops. Doing more ham than good. IMO. It's not helpful


I agree with this statement, however if someone so involved in the climate agenda will not answer questions maybe this is the only way to get the point across



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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CLIMATE CHANGE 'FRAUD'
www.dailyexpress.co.uk...



THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.

Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.

He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over ­billions of years.
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If you have to argue your science by using fraud, your science is not valid.
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Professor Pilmer

Prof Plimer - author of Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, The Missing Science - told a London audience: “Climates always change. They always have and they always will. They are driven by a number of factors that are random and cyclical.”
Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation. He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now.

“In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.”




posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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So , if Mr Gore is lying and global warming is a myth does that mean that we can all drive enormous filthy motor cars , continue our dependance on an ever decreasing , ever polluting oil ?

Can we cut down all the trees as well and kill all the animals too ?

Even if the illustrious Mr Gore has told lies , do we not all need to take action and leave a cleaner world for our children and theirs too ?

The way we have shaped the world in the past 200 years has polluted our only home and poisoned our own food supply . Surely we all agree with Mr Gore that we need to clean up our act .



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem


Dirtbags on the left have been using the same tactics for years. Shouting and intimidation have been applauded in the past when it was directed against the right.

The lefties can't stand it when the tables are turned.


inane.
global governance is a leftist agenda. if these werre leftists, they would be FOR the NWO.



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Australia rejects carbon emission laws
Australia's parliament has rejected laws to set up a sweeping carbon emissions trade scheme, scuttling a key policy of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and setting a trigger for an early election. www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by swiftfootedachilleus
So , if Mr Gore is lying and global warming is a myth does that mean that we can all drive enormous filthy motor cars , continue our dependance on an ever decreasing , ever polluting oil ?

Can we cut down all the trees as well and kill all the animals too ?

Even if the illustrious Mr Gore has told lies , do we not all need to take action and leave a cleaner world for our children and theirs too ?

The way we have shaped the world in the past 200 years has polluted our only home and poisoned our own food supply . Surely we all agree with Mr Gore that we need to clean up our act .


It isn't a question of "Can we...." The question is "Should we.... ?" You should be ashamed to frame your post as you did. And the question in this context is about integrity. No integrity.... no trust. How can we trust someone that would blatantly lie and/or hide the truth from us? They lied because they have an agenda to benefit themselves... not YOU or us. They don't care about the environment. But they do care about their bank account...



posted on Dec, 2 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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"Yes, let's burn a book in the video. Because that's a good image to associate our cause with"

Sorry, it becomes very hard to take anything this group does seriously if they are willing to burn a book just for shock value.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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This hype rising now about that there is NOT? any climate problems is pure bull crap, there IS A SERIOUS problem and we have caused it. Al Gore IS RIGHT.

Sea level is rising all the time, i saw a documentary yesterday about people in Florida living near the beach and now have lost their homes due to a rising sea level, and your gov is not compensate them at all, only the cost for moving their homes further back from the beach.

There are hundreds of indications of that we are going towards a serious condition regarding our coasts. And if we don`t do anything about it more then our coast will be threatened for sure. So stop these disinformation pop ups that arise here on ATS from time to time.

Current Sea Level Rising

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posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
This behaviour on the protesters part, just confirms the mainstream medias image of nutty conspiracy theorists, yelling NWO in crowded book shops. Doing more ham than good. IMO. It's not helpful


Welcome to the School of Alex Jones.
Clones running around spouting the same.

Still, you gotta love people who are willing to stick it to the "Man".
I doubt Al would have made time in his schedule for a formal discussion.

Still, this is why serious criticism of Gores Political take on climate change won't be listened too. They will be all looked at as NWO Eugenics theorists rather than Individuals unimpressed with irrational public policy on serious environmental problems.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 07:40 AM
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to say we are causing it is a leap of faith. ALL the planets in the solar system are heating up. it's the SUN, not us.
i like the attack on pollution, but not CO2. plants like CO2. maybe a better solution to CO2 is to STOP CLEAR CUTTING RAINFORESTS and FISHING THE OCEAN TO EXTINCTION.
global warming is not from us, and there are more scientists who think this than scientists who think we are. and, the scientists who think we are are skewing the results and using BAD computer programs, as shown in the climategate release.

i wish buddy hadn't mentioned eugenics, too. he should of said, "THEY'RE TERRAFORMING EARTH FOR THE SHAPE-SHIFING REPTILIAN INVADERS!!!". then people would have listened.



posted on Dec, 3 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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reply to post by swiftfootedachilleusSo , if Mr Gore is lying and global warming is a myth does that mean that we can all drive enormous filthy motor cars , continue our dependance on an ever decreasing , ever polluting oil ?

Can we cut down all the trees as well and kill all the animals too ?

Even if the illustrious Mr Gore has told lies , do we not all need to take action and leave a cleaner world for our children and theirs too ?

 


No, that's been my point all along. We should focus on those things you mentioned...not some silly imaginary CO2 monster. Can you differentiate between the two?





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