New study proves someones "god" is nothing more than one's own image! Religion crumbles...

That doesn't matter. Religious people will always find an excuse and slither out of trouble like the serpent they hate. If the/a god(s) himself/themselves opened up the heavens and told the people that actually they were created in the big bang and that science is 100% right about the creation of everything, they would say that it was an act by (the) god(s) to test them. Or maybe that the devil is trying to trick them.

reply to post by Lilitu

Ah so much for reading comprehension. I don't need an invitation in my own home. And how was it rude to offer Jesus a drink? He's really real right? He's with us always right?

See a quick mind would have played write thru. I would've said you hand it to him. See if he dosn't appreciate it.

Originally posted by oliveoil
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Here is the web version of my cd.

www.newadvent.org...

There are only four types of Vicar

Vicar - In canon law, the representative of a person clothed with ordinary ecclesiastical jurisdiction

Vicar Apostolic - In the early ages of the Church, the popes committed to some residentiary bishops the duty of watching over ecclesiastical matters in a certain region

Vicar of Christ - A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ

Vicar-General - The highest official of a diocese after the ordinary

Thats it , Nothing about communicating with God.

Your information must not be valid.

Yes it is. To proclaim that you are the vicar of Christ. The highest church. Say just that.
There is no one above to Pope on earth. That is what his title is saying. But in the Bible there is no mention of God or Jesus giving the Pope the authority to be the vicar of Christ or the vicar of anything.

There is no way the Pope is given the authority to proclaim laws on behalf of God. That is a self proclaimed authority.

Am i the only one who can see that?

Some of the rituals preformed by the Vatican is also against what Jesus thought us. We should not bow down to any man. Or worship any man.

In some of the rituals preformed by the Vatican church. People have to kiss the Popes ring and bow down to his authority. That is a self proclaimed ritual. The Pope should not have let that have happened.



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No, you're most definitely not the only one that has the prescription to that train-of-thought. I too, am in that boat. I think the Pope is trying to be a representative of Christ on earth, but in doing so, fails because he tried......

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[edit on 4-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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No, you're most definitely not the only one that has the prescription to that train-of-thought. I too, am in that boat. I think the Pope is trying to be a representative of Christ on earth, but in doing so, fails because he tried......

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[edit on 4-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]

Than you.

I too think he is trying to speak on behalf of God and Jesus. By implying that "He" As the head of state (church) has the knowledge and power of Jesus Christs own words and teachings.
The Catholic church is only the head of State " All Churches" because politics of Man have proclaimed it to be that. Its a written proclamation between the Vatican and the UN i think. The Vatican church became the lead church because of a agreement made by politics.

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reply to post by Agree2Disagree

But in the Bible there is no mention of God or Jesus giving the Pope the authority to be the vicar of Christ or the vicar of anything.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

John 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.


In these passages Jesus is giving Peter supreme headship of the Church.
He later became Bishop of Rome and those who succeeded him in that see succeeded him also in the supreme headship.The title pope, is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. So yes, technically the Pope does have a right to say that he is a representative of Christ on earth.
www.newadvent.org...

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The simple fact that the pope is often called "holy father" puts me off. There is only one Holy Father and it most definitely IS NOT the pope.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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The simple fact that the pope is often called "holy father" puts me off. There is only one Holy Father and it most definitely IS NOT the pope.

I totally agree with you on this.A bad example of a heteronym I guess.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by spy66

 

reply to post by Agree2Disagree

 

But in the Bible there is no mention of God or Jesus giving the Pope the authority to be the vicar of Christ or the vicar of anything.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

John 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.


In these passages Jesus is giving Peter supreme headship of the Church.
He later became Bishop of Rome and those who succeeded him in that see succeeded him also in the supreme headship.The title pope, is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. So yes, technically the Pope does have a right to say that he is a representative of Christ on earth.
www.newadvent.org...

See what i mean about christans using scripture to suit their needs this is laughable

well...i read this whole thread

and i have come to the conclusion that...the op has some terrible issues

you act like you know god doesn't exist...and you have this smartelik tone in your posts...but the "reality" of it is that you know just as much as any of us on this subject so pull your head out of the hairy ladies butt.

and to the person who say they know they're better than people who believe in god because you don't...well when i see something bigger than your ego i'll be sure to shoot it and mount it on my wall.

wow my eye sight got blurry reading this whole thing

But in the Bible there is no mention of God or Jesus giving the Pope the authority to be the vicar of Christ or the vicar of anything.

This has been taken in a different stance by man.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This is where God told peter that jesus is the massiah

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

What does rock mean? rock doesn't mean foundation. perhaps it means earth. Earth=rock. you are the rock. I would go on farther. but i can't reveal any more than that

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

agreed this is a good thing. Doesn't mean he's at the gate though. Perhaps the keys are another gate. again can't talk much sorry

John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

Take care of mankind.

John 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

take care of mankind

John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Take care of mankind



again # the church. let's get on with it. very little chruchs are good.

let me enlighten people whom have read the bible. Replace The Church with The Body and you will see that Jesus was talking on a different level. the church changed this btw. gave too much power to man

Originally posted by KeeperOfGenisis

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by spy66


See what i mean about christans using scripture to suit their needs this is laughable

See what I mean. Atheist using their 10,000+ years of evolution that they call a brainstem.

Just keep worshipping your ego

Man created (the notion of) God in his own image.

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I would go on farther. but i can't reveal any more than that.

and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Are you not going further because you don't want to, or you cant interpret the last half of this quote? Maybe because that its referring to the Catholic Church? Just a thought

I personally believe we should spend an equal amount of time reflecting on facts that are presented to us as well as inner feelings and beliefs. until we know the answer for sure, faith is not completely false.

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The majority of people are just believing in what they choose. As humans we are given the ability to think and question, whats so wrong with that. Why judge a person on just using that gift.

I find this study interesting, but far from devastating. Sorry.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Jordan River

 

I would go on farther. but i can't reveal any more than that.

and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Are you not going further because you don't want to, or you cant interpret the last half of this quote? Maybe because that its referring to the Catholic Church? Just a thought

some opinons just don't matter. please try not to ask any more questions. sworn to secret type stuff
I am a catholic but i'm starting on a new demnominational path myself. all pretty much catholic base. funny

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wow..this thread never end? There is no answer, guys! Come on, just let this thread die, all we get is not "fact" or "faith" but people's opinons@ WE ALL ARE DIFFERANT....geez..