Iraq situation is completely out of control

Since the first prisoner abuse scandals were exposed, it just keeps getting better and better day by day. Stories of sexual humiliation, then soldiers making their own porn, then raping anyone who's an Iraqi, the s**t is ENDLESS!!!!

Now that we can't deny that the stuff happened, what is the course of action now? We haven't found WMD (we probably never will), the U.S. Army is seceeding, what to do now?

For anyone EXTREMELY pro-American on this forum, don't even try using the justification "they are worse." Don't even try to deny the prisoner abuse Iraqi people abuse. They happened. And we are America. We are not like that.

Oh, you are so right, lets just see how well the warm and fuzzy crap works! Guess we could all just join hands and sing a chorus of We Are The World and that should solve everything. PLEASE !!!! It only takes a few to tarnish all of the good of many.

In everything we do there is always that unpredictable human factor that becomes involved. I do not condone the abuse that has recently come to light but it is time to move along and trust that the right thing will be done in regards to this issue.

oops, I forgot to ask if you have been in or seen how our school age children treat each other? Who are you kidding America is just like that.

What will best serve the people of Iraq, our unconditional pull-out, creating a power vacuum for Iran and Syria to fill? Or how about watching Turkey annex "Kurdia"? Turkey is now the world's leading owner of tanks, by the way: over 7000, vs. China's 5000 and our measly 2000.

What will help them the most? What will help our soldiers? If they pull out TOO suddenly, many of them will be in danger: "Blackhawk Down" on a national scale.

Originally posted by Curiousone
Oh, you are so right, lets just see how well the warm and fuzzy crap works! Guess we could all just join hands and sing a chorus of We Are The World and that should solve everything. PLEASE !!!! It only takes a few to tarnish all of the good of many.

In everything we do there is always that unpredictable human factor that becomes involved. I do not condone the abuse that has recently come to light but it is time to move along and trust that the right thing will be done in regards to this issue.

Umm... okay.

Apparently you added stuff to my statement, so I don't even know where to go from here.

I did not say we should go with the warm and fuzzy crap, I simply said "Where do we go from here." Apparently, that's not a very popular statement.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft


What will best serve the people of Iraq, our unconditional pull-out, creating a power vacuum for Iran and Syria to fill? Or how about watching Turkey annex "Kurdia"? Turkey is now the world's leading owner of tanks, by the way: over 7000, vs. China's 5000 and our measly 2000.

What will help them the most? What will help our soldiers? If they pull out TOO suddenly, many of them will be in danger: "Blackhawk Down" on a national scale.

Like the title of your post! Maybe I should tell that to the Monica my name is dedicated to!

I did not suggest we should pull out. In fact, I say we stay there as long as we need to. The repercussions from premature extraction are catastrophic.

its too late to turn back. this is a fiasco and will continue as such until we accept the reality that this is total WAR!!! they do not want peace they want us dead.... i think they are biding their time and waiting for the right time to strike with a fierce hand. there is nothing we can do but wait for their move. theres no need to worry though. they are sophistacated but seriously how are u gonna fight out of caves?! they are but a peon to the mighty demonhunter that is the US. the american public is too soft to understand or accept these tough times........ the gloves are off, i hope no one is looking.....

One question here. Does anyone else think this is starting to resemble the Vietnam Conflict at all? I personally see many similarities in the way we are dealing with the "locals", etc. Not to mention that vacuum that American Taxpayers money is being sucked into.

Just a thought.

What do you expect the whole world was against this,mostly because America was involved.Diplomatics have never been an America trate.
The consept good idea American approach really typical do it big and force your will.

When will they learn


P.s Camera never a good idea

[Edited on 22-5-2004 by weirdo]

I agree with ya aztoddler, this is Vietnam II. we will spend a ton of money & get a bunch of peoplpe killed to accomplish nothing. if you follow the mentality that our fight is now just with the terrorists then whi Iraq still? there area few other countries over there with am much larger terrorist base. those are the ones free to do as they like to train new terrorists & plan missions in Iraq as well as the rest of the world...

[quote]For anyone EXTREMELY pro-American on this forum, don't even try using the justification "they are worse." Don't even try to deny the prisoner abuse Iraqi people abuse. They happened. And we are America. We are not like that.


We are America and WE are like that! Check your history...it happens in all wars and yes even with the Americans as it has happened many times before. Just cause their was no idiot there with a camera does not mean it never happened. War is War and nobody ever agrees with it
I don't agree with it but what the hell are you gonna do? Jessica lynch ring a bell? Nevermind I'm not going to say they did it so why aren't they bad too type of crap. It happens and will continue to happen. How do you put rules into war and expect anything. IT IS WAR.

I'm going to finish by saying that I don't agree with killing, raping or whatever else that is wrong in my eyes but Like I said it is WARRRRRRRRR not candyland.

I posted my thoughts about this in the mudpit on what I think we need to do, if Iraq doesnt kick us out, the only other option is to put another 200-300,000 more troops in and clamp down. Otherwise it will turn into another Vietnam. Yup yup.
The reasoning behind more troops is that fellow soldiers watch each others backs and also keep each other in line. The reality is that as every day go on, more and more extriemists are filing into the country, its become a trap for us. If we would have used the proper size of forces in the first place, you wouldnt be seeing a lot of this, You can't keep control over a country like that without the proper troop sizes.
My Rant:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Funny though, no one has said anything in the mudpit about it, so I don't know what other people think. Just what I went off about.

in a weird way iraq will work out strategicaly. the terrorist know they can not beat us on the battlefield that is why they have never called us out like men! that is why we are stirring up the hornets nest that is iraq. if they dont wanna come out and fight then we will go into their home then they will have no choice but to come out and fight. its like posting a big target on the global map. you want us? come and get us! as long as we stay they will know excactly where to find us and we can settle this childish dispute.

[edit on 26-7-2004 by kogigaiden]

iraq is in complete control...what are you talking about...if the can easily kill 10,000 + iraqi civilians they MUST have it all under control

Hey big man, we're the guys that can sit behind eight inches of armor and pump around into a building - or cruise around at 4000 feet in a Spectre gunship drilling rounds into a neighborhood killing "insurgents" (and women and old folks and kids too. )

The insurgents stick their wicks out firing AK & RPG rounds in the streets and get picked off at a 7 to 1 ratio of hits on us. They may plant a lot of IED's under brudges and such, but you certainly can't call them chicke# fighters.

RIGHT !
who pushed prez bush from his bike today on his ranch ??

scandalous !

well the iraq war went wrong from the start really...the English soldiers weren't ready for the war, they didn't have the right shoes and the gun kept not working, etc. and now with all the people how hate the US and the other forces saying.."yeah you helped us, we thank you now # off!" whats with that, we help them and now we're the enemy?
and now all the stuff with the pictures...wonder what will be next