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Topic started on 29-11-2009 @ 07:08 PM by vermonster

im not jewish. I celebrate christmas, but I don't consider myself a christian. My ancestors originated in ireland.

Here at ats I stumbled upon a thread about the ring of power documentary and read a response saying the documentary's narrator was anti-semitic in the beginning of the film.
Well, basically, im confused here guys.
The narrator mentions peoples names in relation to property owned at WTC.
These people are zionists, she mentions this.

Can someone clarify something for me please?
I am an American. Im a white guy. I dont have any jewish/isreal/zionist/etc ancestory THAT I KNOW OF.
If someone criticizes me or is bias to me or 'my people' what name do I call them?

To clarify.
I need to know what to call someone who is 'anti-whatmyideasare'

Thanks Guys!

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:29 PM by buds84

reply to post by vermonster

Anti-Semitic / Anti-Semite was what the Jews started calling people that questioned them.

Turns out those so called Jews are not even of Shemetic decent neither are they decedents of the Biblical Isralites.

Hence the term Jew"ish", they are converts, and Hitler was pretty pissed (or pretending to be pissed) at their impostering.

Link

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:32 PM by December_Rain

reply to post by vermonster

You are a human being and that is all what matters. No amount of any religion or scripts can change the fact. Treat everyone equally and fairly, religion is all a man made story to preserve self importance.

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:33 PM by ravenshadow13

You know, why bother asking in a thread? Why not look up the history of anti-semitism and Judaism for yourself instead of listening to complete strangers? Consult reputable sources such as university webpages or historical archives.

Here, I'll help get you started: ddickerson.igc.org...

That website lists a number of resources for you to go and read up on yourself. It took me 5 seconds, using Google. You can also, you know, use that same searching technique for any topic you want to know about.

I also highly recommend looking for resources on the history of Zionism.

Go find out for yourself. Deny ignorance.

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:45 PM by buds84

Also this book Who is Esau-Edom? has a chapter on Anti-Semite starting on page 63.

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:47 PM by vermonster

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
You know, why bother asking in a thread? Why not look up the history of anti-semitism and Judaism for yourself instead of listening to complete strangers? Consult reputable sources such as university webpages or historical archives.

Here, I'll help get you started: ddickerson.igc.org...

That website lists a number of resources for you to go and read up on yourself. It took me 5 seconds, using Google. You can also, you know, use that same searching technique for any topic you want to know about.

I also highly recommend looking for resources on the history of Zionism.

Go find out for yourself. Deny ignorance.

thanks for the informative webstie link.

any idea where i can find the word(s) to describe and categorize someone who shares a different belief than me or my people?

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 07:51 PM by ravenshadow13

reply to post by vermonster

I would personally say that the word you are looking for is "different."

If you are looking for a word which allows you to determine that those people are somehow of lesser value than yourself, I cannot help you and want nothing more to do with this thread.

In addition, who exactly are "your people"?

We are all people. Sorry to inform you.

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 08:01 PM by JacobTeDreamerIV.

reply to post by vermonster

Sorry Friend. Us Drunken Micks don't have any choice but to just accept the Hatred. Maybe that's why we're so deep in the Bottle

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 08:03 PM by vermonster

reply to post by ravenshadow13

what i am trying to hint at is this. we are all people, yes. but why is it that criticizing one persons actions labels you 'a something' based on the religious preference or background of the person being criticized.

i could be considered an 'anti-semite' (or in the parlence of our times : 'a nazi') by simply disagreeing with a persons actions.

make sense fella?

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 08:14 PM by JacobTeDreamerIV.

Isn't it funny that the OP presents an Innocent Inquiry and the only thing that made it seem Negative was how it was Interpreted by the Following posters? Sure it was meant as sarcasm, but it dragged the Ignorance out into the open. It's a Mistake to 'Deny Ignorance.' One has to Acknowledge it, Identify the Problem, then decide a Solution.

Well played OP, Well played.

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 08:24 PM by ravenshadow13

Originally posted by vermonster
reply to post by ravenshadow13

what i am trying to hint at is this. we are all people, yes. but why is it that criticizing one persons actions labels you 'a something' based on the religious preference or background of the person being criticized.

i could be considered an 'anti-semite' (or in the parlence of our times : 'a nazi') by simply disagreeing with a persons actions.

make sense fella?

Let's break this down. This is a common question. And really, religion and sociology and politics and whatever you would call this is not my thing, zoology is. But I've been a member for a long time, and here is how it seems to work:

1. Nazi is completely different. That word is completely overused and it has morphed into something that has been re-defined by Urban Dictionary.

2. You would be considered an anti-semite if you a) felt animosity towards a group of people based on their religion (Jews) or b) felt animosity towards a person or small group of people because of their actions, which you believe represent the entire group of people.

If you say "Wow, I dislike what this person did, I bet they did it because they are Jewish/Jews would do that" then yes, that's a problem.

If you say "Wow, I dislike what this person did, but it has nothing to do with their religion, they did it because they are an individual and sometimes individuals do things that I don't agree with" then that is fine.

[edit on 11/29/2009 by ravenshadow13]

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 08:45 PM by vermonster

reply to post by ravenshadow13

no no.

the accused, the 'anti-semite' does not get to plead his case, stating why he has come to the assumption that the person or group in question is in fault.

he is just a 'prejudice anti-semite' because the one(s) in question share a similar relgieon and or ancestry.

now come on, bs aside, you see what i am getting at right g?

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 09:04 PM by Grumble

This drunken Mick sees what you are getting at.

I generally refer to such people as "anti-intellectual."

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 10:08 PM by CoffinFeeder

when someone accuses em of being anti-"something" besides the anti-christ, i mostly reply "No, I'm anti-stupid, which explains my hatred for you"

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 10:51 PM by JacobTeDreamerIV.

I on the other hand would have to call it 'Anti-Human." Anti-intellectual or anti-stupid as others have so eloquently put it, are just more useless labels. As a Person who has been raised and still is raised just south of the Mason Dixon, I get the best of both worlds. If I want to go out 'Muddin', it's just a short trip to a buddy's house to get the proper vehicles and 'refreshment'. If I want a more thought provoking experience, I can head 'Into Town' and catch a play.

The problem as I see it is Elitism in any form. Sure, you can quote Plato, but can you fix a car?(I personally can't do either, but that's just from a lack of trying) Yeah you can solve a complex mathematical equation, but can you sing every lyric off of Disraeli Gears?(I can do a little of the first, but I've got the second down) Perhaps you can paint a pretty picture, but can you defend yourself if someone tries to steal it from you? (Yes and Yes)

Yadamean?
Jacob

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 11:44 PM by SyphonX

Semitic

Se⋅mit⋅ic
/səˈmɪtɪk/- suh-mit-ik]

–noun
1. a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.

adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.

Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.

n.
The Semitic languages.

Any one of the Semitic languages.

Semitic
A descriptive term for several peoples of the Middle East and their descendants, including Jews and Arabs (see Arab-Israeli conflict). Today the term is mainly applied to Jews.

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anti-semitism

–noun
discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.

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Something doesn't add up for me. How do Jews claim sole control over an entire multi-cultural title?

Going by the true definition of semitic and "anti-semitic", then Israelis are anti-semitic towards Palestinians, because Palestinians fall under the semitic culture.

What a damn farce.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by SyphonX]

reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 11:50 PM by mmiichael

Originally posted by buds84
reply to post by vermonster

Anti-Semitic / Anti-Semite was what the Jews started calling people that questioned them.

Turns out those so called Jews are not even of Shemetic decent neither are they decedents of the Biblical Isralites.

Hence the term Jew"ish", they are converts, and Hitler was pretty pissed (or pretending to be pissed) at their impostering.

Link

This is race hatred imbecility. You've obviously read nothing credible on the subject.

There are rules on this forum. You can't just spout and link to any garbage because Neo-Nazis decided to put it online.

reply posted on 30-11-2009 @ 12:47 PM by buds84

Originally posted by mmiichael

This is race hatred imbecility. You've obviously read nothing credible on the subject.

There are rules on this forum. You can't just spout and link to any garbage because Neo-Nazis decided to put it online.

Read nothing credible?

The man pulls out a book from Time Life Books, a major well known company, written/edited by Robert Edwin Herzstein a Jew and reads it for the camera.

How is that racist and not credible?
What rules did I break? Posting something you don't like or agree with is not against the rules. Go cry.

reply posted on 30-11-2009 @ 01:22 PM by mmiichael

Originally posted by buds84
How is that racist and not credible?

What rules did I break? Posting something you don't like or agree with is not against the rules. Go cry.

Your post.

Anti-Semitic / Anti-Semite was what the Jews started calling people that questioned them.

Turns out those so called Jews are not even of Shemetic decent neither are they decedents of the Biblical Isralites.

Hence the term Jew"ish", they are converts, and Hitler was pretty pissed (or pretending to be pissed) at their impostering.

Can only laugh.

Can't spell. False information. Can't think.

This site has it's quota of mental defectives.

reply posted on 30-11-2009 @ 01:53 PM by octotom

reply to post by buds84

Hence the term Jew"ish"

This is silly. It only works in English to say that the Jews are only Jew-"ish".

The German words for Jewish/jewish are Jüdischen/jüdisch. Yes, they have "isch" in there but it doesn't mean "sorta like". It denotes where something is from. (Italienisch, französisch, ungarisch, etc.)

Jewish in Spanish is Judía/judío. Hungarian has Jewish as Zsidó. In French, it is Juive/juif. To my knowledge, none of those words has anything in it that equates to the "ish" slang usage in English. (I say "ish" slang because, since English came from German, the "ish" has the same function, only spelled differently.)

All that aside, if we're going to take this "jew-ish" thing all the way, are we to assume, and say, that the English, Irish, Finnish, Danish, Scotish, and Swedish are only some half-blood impostors of the true Nordic peoples or some nonsense like that? I think not.

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