CLAIM 6. Shiite Islamic Prophecy Of "A Tall Black Man" Running The West. , page 1
Pages:
ATS Members have flagged this thread 3 times
Topic started on 29-11-2009 @ 05:24 PM by Max_TO
Please don't take this post the wrong way IT"S NOT AN OBAMA BASHING THREAD !!

I am wondering if any of you out there have herd of this Shiite Islamic Prophecy before ? It is as follows ...

CLAIM 6. Shiite Islamic Prophecy Of "A Tall Black Man" Running The West.  According to a 17th Century prophetic text of the Shiite branch of Islam, the return of the Mahdi, the Islamic messiah, in the End of Times will be preceded by "a tall black man" running "government in the West" and commanding "the strongest army on earth."  The black "promised warrior" will carry a "clear sign" from Hussein ibn Ali (the third imam) and will assist the Mahdi in converting the world to Islam.  The Iranian media have identified Obama as the "promised warrior."

How do you think this " prophecy " is seen buy such people as Ahmadinejad ? Given that Mr. Ahmadinejad has some pretty strong end time beliefs and fancies himself as the means to bring about the conditions for the return of the “12th Imam ?

Do you think that this CLAIM 6. Shiite Islamic Prophecy Of "A Tall Black Man" is seen as being fulfilled buy Mr. Obama in the eyes of Mr. Ahmadinejad ?

This may mean nothing to us but to those that believe in this Islamic end time prophecy it may be seen as a sign that there 12th Imam is soon to arrive .

When one takes into consideration the current Nuclear stand off with Iran could Iran's leadership see this current stand off as being the incident that bring about the end ?


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 05:42 PM by OldDragger
reply to post by Max_TO



You cite no sources for this alleged "prophecy".
What does "claim 6" mean?
Sorry, but this sounds suspiciously like something lifted fron an "Obama" is a Muslim propaganda site to me!
Unless you provide a source, I remain highly sceptical to say the least.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 05:54 PM by Seiko
From here



Obama, Vice-Mahdi? Two weeks ago Iran watcher Amir Taheri published an article in which he alleged that there exists a Shi`i hadith stating that "a tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West...commanding the strongest army on Earth" and carrying a "clear sign" from the Third Imam, Husayn and that "Shi`is should have no doubt that he is with us" (bahrameradblg.blogspot.com...). This hadith was said to be contained in the collection Bahar al-Anvar by Mollah Majlisi and date to the 17th c. CE. Taheri spun an entire web of geopolitical analysis around this point, claiming that "the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama's rise as another sign of the West's decline and the triumph of Islam." Problem is: it's not true. According to my contacts in Iran, including Professor Abolfazl Nurmuhammadpour at the Bright Future Institute--dedicated to teaching the world about the coming of the Mahdi, and the organization which sponsored the Mahdism Conference which I attended this past August in Tehran and Qom--and other ranking clerics at the Dar al-Hadith in Qom, this hadith is NOT authentic. Another myth about President-Elect Barack Obama bites the dust.


Sounds like another fabrication.

I believe they're trying to translate this book "Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi".

edit: Read this page from wiki for help mahdi

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Seiko]


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 06:13 PM by Max_TO
www.forbes.com...
Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West." Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."



Sorry for not posting any links

Lets not get side tracked here , the government of Iran believes this Prophecy to be true , which lead me to my OP . If we can stay on topic here I would like to here your thoughts on the questions asked in the OP .

Just how much of Iran's end time beliefs will play into how they handle there current Nuclear stand off ?


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Seiko
reply to post by Max_TO





the government of Iran believes this Prophecy to be true


Sorry what leads you to this conclusion?

I don;t see any proof that the iran leadership believes this. In fact the very book you quote seems to be under contention.



reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 06:27 PM by ufoptics
reply to post by Max_TO



Max, this article is over a year old???? I think Seiko debunked it.....if you have any current info please share it.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 06:28 PM by Max_TO
reply to post by Seiko



"The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. "


Thats what leads me to believe that the government of Iran believes this .

Seeing how this " pro government " website would have there government handlers on site making sure whatever they posted would be expectable to there government .


Ok seeing how this was reported in the ME and stated as prophecy from a 17th century text does anyone else think that this may been seen by those that share the idea of Islamic prophecy may see this as an end time fulfillment of prophecy ? If so will it , could it , effect how Iran handles themselves during there current Nuclear stand off ?

If this report is a fabrication then doesn't that prove equally troubling to learn that prophecy is being fabricated to coincide with current times to manipulate people into excepting the apocalyptic return of there 12th imam ?
Pages:     ^^TOP^^



WWIII - USS Enterprise, a dying Legend to be the FALSE FLAG !! ??
  Posted 19 days ago with 64 member flags
A Gigantic Pyramid on Ocean Sea Floor in Bermuda Triangle?
  Posted 13 days ago with 45 member flags
"The Internal Working Components of One type of UFO".
  Posted 17 days ago with 37 member flags
The Argument that Fukushima Was Sabotaged
  Posted 14 days ago with 14 member flags
Invasion of Korea underway
  Posted 2 days ago with 10 member flags

Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:

This Hoax Effects Everyone!!!
  Political Conspiracies, Posted 11 hours ago, 53 flags
My opinion about this site's purpose
  Rant, Posted 15 hours ago, 45 flags
Rothschilds Want Iran’s Banks
  World War Three, Posted 13 hours ago, 26 flags
I'm sick of all the KOOKS!
  Rant, Posted 13 hours ago, 22 flags
New Topic Fire-hose censoring
  Rant, Posted 7 hours ago, 12 flags