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Topic started on 29-11-2009 @ 02:24 PM by Kernel Korn
The Kernel has seen it all over the board. Something involving cops and it's automatically their fault. Here's a good example:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

4 cops get killed and some say it's because they are dirty. That's a pretty bold claim. There's no info about why yet. Oh, but wait!!! even if we get the info it's probably tarnished by the Thin Blue Line.

So the Kernel asks you, how many abuses of power do you think are perpetrated by police in a given year?

The Kernel would like to deal in FACTS, not speculation.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Kernel Korn]


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:55 PM by Janky Red
Originally posted by Kernel Korn
The Kernel has seen it all over the board. Something involving cops and it's automatically their fault. Here's a good example:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

4 cops get killed and some say it's because they are dirty. That's a pretty bold claim. There's no info about why yet. Oh, but wait!!! even if we get the info it's probably tarnished by the Thin Blue Line.

So the Kernel asks you, how many abuses of power do you think are perpetrated by police in a given year?

The Kernel would like to deal in FACTS, not speculation.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Kernel Korn]


Well KK I have no problem with police in general - I would guess if the officer is corrupt, the abuse is everyday. Maybe a few will look the other way if the money is right. Majority are fair enough, although maybe stressed out which is understandable.

I think it is all about the individual

These cops in question could have been saints or devils for all I know, but I do know murder is wrong in many ways. Sorry to their families and the community


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 03:14 PM by Dogdish
I think there is something to hate, and it's not the cops themselves. They are just "towing the company line"... just doing what they're told, from what I can tell. (although so many seem a little too happy to do it.)
What's to hate is the intrusions on the basic freedoms we think we maintain.
I read the entire thread you reference, and it's not where I thought the thread would go, either. To be honest, I expected more of the "they're going to use this as an excuse to take our guns". This is the first thing I think when I see one of these seemingly senseless shootings.
As for the cops and their families, it's double sided, in my opinion. There is nothing worse than a child losing their father, and a wife her husband. I know.
On the other side, you will never win an argument saying any policemen are bad, because they always throw out the "I put my life on the line for you every day" bomb.
Why didn't they consider this when they were planning children and family? Why don't they care more for their family than their job?
I feel terrible when I think of the families decimated by crime, and those by bad police practices. I really appreciate the fact that there are good, honest and upstanding policemen in this world, I just think they are much more rare than they used to be.
Finally, I'm not a cop hater. I do hate the drug war, gun control, self serving politics and the panic I feel when I see a cop car in my rear view mirror.
I think the hate you sense from the other thread is just an expression of that.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 03:18 PM by cannibalman
reply to post by Kernel Korn


Cops are HUMANS, not robots. No matter how well they're screened during recruitment they are always open to temptation.
Do a quick look at corruption levels across ALL aspects of society and you will see that it is HUMANS, not cops, that are corrupt.



reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 03:26 PM by blupblup
reply to post by andy1033



Andy.... you always talk about how you're monitored and how they are watching you and all this pre-crime and blah blah.... same any time the government or police are mentioned?


What's the deal.

They're obviously not watching you that closely because you're always on here spouting about how your life's been ruined and how they are controlling you via mind control techniques and so on?

I mean... WTF dude?


Spill the beans.... it's becoming tiresome.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 03:31 PM by apacheman
reply to post by Dogdish


I think you misunderstand.

I don't hate cops, I hate people who abuse their authority and position. I've known some good cops, but they were few and far between. Most stopped being cops because they couldn't stomach what they discovered they were a part of; their words, not mine.

The bad apple excuse is just that, an excuse. If it were truly just a few bad apples, why aren't they under arrest? By what logic to you excuse the good cops who are aware of lawbreaking by their fellows and choose to ignore it?

If you cite a personal safety reason, i.e., fear of being abandoned by their fellow cops in a crunch, or worse, being whacked by their co-workers, that tells me there are more bad ones than good ones. How could it not be so? Please don't say that's ridiculous and left it go at that. Explain the logic of how just a few bad apples can overwhelm a majority of good ones and prevent them from enforcing the law fairly and equally, please.

A while back there was a thread speculating whether the military would ever turn on the citizens, which most vets and active duty replied to with an emphatice "NO!". That wasn't the proper question. The military would never turn on us, but the cops can, will, and do on a regular basis. They are enforcers, after all, and seldom if ever question or care about the legality of what they do. If they're told to go round up a list of people at 3 AM, they won't question it in the slightest, but will fall in, break doors and herd the victims to whatever fate might befall them, and go to breakfast with a clear conscious.

So just because we question what they do and sometimes lack sympathy for them, it doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for the attitude.

Cops are simply too dangerous and unpredictable to be granted an automatic standing of "good guy". And the "good guy" to you might be completely different when he's not around you.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 03:56 PM by Molan27
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Dogdish


I think you misunderstand.

I don't hate cops, I hate people who abuse their authority and position. I've known some good cops, but they were few and far between. Most stopped being cops because they couldn't stomach what they discovered they were a part of; their words, not mine.


So true. Two friends of mine in two Different cities joined the police force and within 2 months for one and 8 months for the other they quit. When asked why 'they both said they couldn't stomach giving regular citizens a hard time constantly..Also the quota for writing tickets AND making arrests..


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 04:00 PM by ufoptics
reply to post by mopusvindictus


Cheers! I wholeheartedly agree......if you want to see what public service is all about, go into the Police Department and ask for a complaint form.
Check out PoliceAbuse.org, they have some real great footage on just how serving they can be.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 04:03 PM by Dogdish
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Dogdish


I think you misunderstand.

I don't hate cops, I hate people who abuse their authority and position. I've known some good cops, but they were few and far between. Most stopped being cops because they couldn't stomach what they discovered they were a part of; their words, not mine.

The bad apple excuse is just that, an excuse. If it were truly just a few bad apples, why aren't they under arrest? By what logic to you excuse the good cops who are aware of lawbreaking by their fellows and choose to ignore it?

If you cite a personal safety reason, i.e., fear of being abandoned by their fellow cops in a crunch, or worse, being whacked by their co-workers, that tells me there are more bad ones than good ones. How could it not be so? Please don't say that's ridiculous and left it go at that. Explain the logic of how just a few bad apples can overwhelm a majority of good ones and prevent them from enforcing the law fairly and equally, please.

A while back there was a thread speculating whether the military would ever turn on the citizens, which most vets and active duty replied to with an emphatice "NO!". That wasn't the proper question. The military would never turn on us, but the cops can, will, and do on a regular basis. They are enforcers, after all, and seldom if ever question or care about the legality of what they do. If they're told to go round up a list of people at 3 AM, they won't question it in the slightest, but will fall in, break doors and herd the victims to whatever fate might befall them, and go to breakfast with a clear conscious.

So just because we question what they do and sometimes lack sympathy for them, it doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for the attitude.

Cops are simply too dangerous and unpredictable to be granted an automatic standing of "good guy". And the "good guy" to you might be completely different when he's not around you.


Wow, I have to go back and re-read my post, because I agree with you completely, and I didn't mean to say anything to the contrary.
What I tried to say was that the purpose of police has changed, it seems, and the change has come from the top. The bad laws, the emphasis on putting people into "The System", and the general "bully" techniques that are now the norm, those are what's bad.
I don't think these things were some sort of grassroots movement by the rank and file of the policemen, I think they are trained this way. Therefore, I can't hate the idiots, I hate the new emphasis on control.
Believe me, I read your story, and I can match it. I wonder how they can sleep at night, knowing what they're doing to people's family and lives, not to mention their ability to earn a living.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 05:08 PM by Dramey
simply put to answer the kernels question


reported abuses id estimate at around a couple hundred+

actual abuses where the victims are too scared to report the abuses to the same organization whos people abused them

a couple thousand easily

its easy for someone from the burbs to have a hard time believing how corrupt a police department can be, but someone who grew up in the city, especially a "good citizen" with open eyes who lives in the habitat in question on a daily basis, its easy to see how it could easily be thousands of abuses a year nationwide, if not more

even if the abuse is something simple as some kid getting hassled for being born onto a certain block of the city, all the way up to an old 80-90 year old woman with Alzheimer's and a knife getting thrown to the ground and having her head cracked open because she was a danger to people in a wide open parking lot


police can be defended from here till the end of time

the reason, they do good

police will also be put down and distrusted from here until the end of time

the reason, they abuse their power

whether they are having a bad day, serious mental issues, "legitimately feel they are doing the right thing", or just know the person and have a grudge against them, on a daily basis there are always a few rotten apples in every bunch


the problem with rotten apples in the law enforcement industry, is they arent fruit, they are our protectors, our servers, when they fail us? what do we do then?

nothing we can do, they are at the top, and the internal investigations, we all know that doesnt do much, they would much rather deal with it quietly then publicly, so even if a cop screws up, you'll be hard pressed to find out about it

that also makes the abuses go underreported even when they are reported


so with that all said, i can understand where kernel is coming from, being annoyed with the "police bashing", but for the kernel to be realistic, he also needs to be able to understand the other side of things also.

people dont have some made up form of hatred for the police, every form of hatred, no matter how ignorant it may seem, always has something at the root of the cause

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edited to say after reading my post again, i wanted to say, not only police abuse their power

that is the problem with power and humanity, there are very few humans in our society, even since the beginning of human existence that were able to achieve a form of power and not abuse it, we all have our own agendas, there are many who put themselves and their own ambitions above all else

until we find a way to make us all truly equal, those with power will always abuse those without it. thats historical and future fact

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