'Iran To Build 10 Uranium Enrichment Plants'

The Iranians have sealed their own fate.The Israeli assault will be devasting.

Why isn't this story being starred and flagged to death

The gloves just came off. The talking is over. Israel and US are probably making arrangements as we speak. Iran must know what's coming.....unless they know something we don't.

The US Govt and admin is so screwed up, I would not doubt if Iran got Stimulus money to build these under the "Jobs Saved" category.

For those of you old enough the last time we went round and round with these clowns.
Mickey Mouse has a message for you!

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

We, the US don't want Iran to have The Bomb because they will use it to take over the world. Oil or not, perhaps we should nuke them all to hell Now. Forget sanctions. They do not work.

Actually it’s a statistical impossibility for the small nation of Iran to take over the whole world from a logistical standpoint. Even if they appointed every Iranian man, woman and child to the task they simply would be deficient in numbers from an administrational standpoint.

They though might be able to teach people better grammar and syntax and help them work on ridding themselves of violent paranoia and a desire to tell everyone else in the world how they must live.

Thats what the Old USA would do.. the USA that stood for the USA an not a new world order. Now, we will not nuke Iran back to hell because it's not politically correct! If navy Seals cant even punch a known terrorist in the face for his murders, then how are we going to defend this country when Iran decides to send a nuke our way?..

The founding fathers were dead set against foreign wars of aggression and taking sides in foreign conflicts and any notion of building empire, so the good Old U.S.A. you are referring to is simply a convenient fiction in this case to promote violence, bigotry and warmongering.

For one to be a known terrorist one must actually be tried and convicted of specific offenses in a court of law because in the good old U.S. of A. all people are innocent until proven guilty, have a right to fair and humane treatment if they stand accused of a crime and to be protected against cruel and inhumane forms of punishment if they are convicted of the crime.

It could be argued that the Navy Seals who are paid professional warriors are murderers too since that is what paid professional warriors do they kill people. So by your logic it would be alright to punch Navy Seals in the Face if captured while clearly the Geneva Conventions don’t permit such torture when combatants to armed struggles are captured. The Navy Seals in question have embarrassed the American people with their undisciplined and indiscriminate use of violence that violates the Geneva Conventions.

The best way to defend the United States against terrorism from nations that presently have no nuclear bomb and are not known for attacking other nations as the United States routinely does is for us to stop routinely attacking other nations based on paranoia and emotional manipulation of the under educated masses to enrich and empower the military industrial complex and expand the Federal Governments encroachments on the Constitution.

Obama has already said he wants this nation defenseless. I think he plans to let Iran Nuke us in exchange for Iran and China taking over the USA thinking they will set him up as dictator to rule in their stead. - as crazy as that sounds.. I never thought I'd ever see a US president and congress sell us out to socialism! Anything can happen in today's crazy world!

A succession of U.S. Presidents has worked hand in hand with the Council on Foreign Relations to emasculate and erode the nation’s sovereignty for the sake of corporate oligarch control and power. This is nothing new under Obama what’s new is otherwise ignorant inattentive people beginning to pay attention to circumstances based on prejudicial fear and finally taking a look at what has been going on in government as a trend for decades.

Iran is decades away from having the logistical capability to attack anyone with nuclear weapons and Iran has never attacked any nation as an Islamic Republic and based on their own beliefs and their own peaceful track record I would say its highly unlikely Iran would attack anyone that did not militarily attack them first.

Heck, I say we Nuke the UN in New York first - get those traitors off our soil, then nuke Iran.

Seems to me that people who are as predisposed to violence as evidenced in this kind of statement are a far greater threat to peace in the world than the people they imagine are a threat to it.

Some people would definitely be better served with anger management classes and history books as opposed to blogs!


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I think it's cool Iran is building 10 more nuclear stations. As long as they are not breaking any IAEA resolutions, building power stations is acceptable for all signatories of NPT. Just because few countries don't want Iran to have nuclear energy does not mean it is illegal or against IAEA resolution. What this news article has not covered is given below:

Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

If it is not building any nuclear weapons (which it should keeping in mind the nuclear armed Israel near it which has never allowed inspection) I do not see any reason it should not continue it's drive for nuclear energy.

Thing is this time Iran is informing even well ahead in advance it's plan to build 10 more nuclear stations, so like earlier the other countries would not start crying and screaming while ignoring their own backyard. If it had any plan to build nukes there, why would they inform everyone about it in the first place?

Originally posted by Curio
Why isn't this story being starred and flagged to death

Because more and more people have woken up to the propaganda being played by the media and can look behind the farce.

The gloves just came off. The talking is over. Israel and US are probably making arrangements as we speak. Iran must know what's coming.....unless they know something we don't.

It's apparent you want Israel to sit on shoulder of USA and war with Iran....but it ain't gonna happen. Israel can go and fight it's own war if they are so itchy and be ready for consequences.

Originally posted by December_Rain
It's apparent you want Israel to sit on shoulder of USA and war with Iran....but it ain't gonna happen. Israel can go and fight it's own war if they are so itchy and be ready for consequences.

Please don't put words in my mouth

For your information, I think they're all as bad as each other - Iran, Israel, US. All 3 are only interested in their own agenda. But the fact is, Israel and the US will not stand for a nuclear armed Iran. Period. Whether that's right or wrong is a moot point - it's just a fact. And never underestimate Israel.

It all really depends on what Iran's true motives are. Will they destroy Israel if they get Nukes? Will they use them to try and force their Religion on the rest of the world?

That are our fears and Iran's leaders only stoke those fears and never try to eliminate them.

What on earth are they thinking? They seem to be unable or unwilling to live and let live and I mean the leaders not the people. Of course the same can be said for the US under Bush but thank god he is gone.

Originally posted by daveyp1986


This is quite a scary prospect. Iran seem to interested in causing a world wide political stir than anything else at the minute. I can appreciate that they want to be taken seriously by the west, but this just seems ridiculous! This will simply alienate them from the further and creasting more friction. Personally I believe this is one step closer to World War 3.

I shall edit when other sources are available.

news.sky.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

118 nations back leaving irans nuclear plants alone.. meaning iran has more world wide support FOR their nuclear program.

Of course 118 nations backing Iran means nothing to the US govt, international laws, rules, treaties and all those non violent niceties are negligible nuisances for others to adhere to.. the new American motto should be "rules are made to be broken, only by us"

All this rhetoric about iran defying "the world" is metaphorical at best, and likely 100% pure made in the USA propaganda.

The clowns in fed govt like Americans to think they speak for the entire world when it comes to iran.. which is laughable to anyone paying attention.

"...Iran had the backing of the 118 nations in the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), a bloc which emphasizes Iran's right under the Non-Proliferation Treaty to develop a civilian atomic program."

www.reuters.com...

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Good thing you brought people in it, as the decision was backed up not solely by Ahemjedinad but also by the whole Iran parliament. There is also an ongoing news story that Iran parliament has asked Ahemjedinad to stop co-operating with IAEA any further in face of (beyond IAEA NPT resolution) new demands by USA/UK etc.

Also do not forget any signatories of NPT are:
* not required to give their fuel to other countries for processing
* not required limit their nuclear energy needs
* are not called to stop building new nuclear power stations (if they are open for inspection by IAEA, which Iran has obliged so far)

So just for your fear you cannot deny the right of any country. Iran has the same fear of Western powers that any Western Power has from Iran.

Has the world gone insane? Does it not know that according to the IEA, Iran can legally build as much enrichment sites as they want? This is not provoking anyone, this is practising their bestowed rights.

Iran is doing something alright... putting the spotlight on Zionist hypocrisy... and it is angering the rabid group of Zionsts puppet-masters in the West in the process.

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Originally posted by Xeven
It all really depends on what Iran's true motives are. Will they destroy Israel if they get Nukes? Will they use them to try and force their Religion on the rest of the world?

That are our fears and Iran's leaders only stoke those fears and never try to eliminate them.

What on earth are they thinking? They seem to be unable or unwilling to live and let live and I mean the leaders not the people. Of course the same can be said for the US under Bush but thank god he is gone.

118 other nations are not trembling scared of irans motivations.. maybe there is a reason more nations on this planet back irans nuclear program, than not.

Could it be the majority understands the basic idea that iran has no motivation to nuke muslim people?... or destroy ancient holy land they want returned? (occupied by israel)

Would you blow up your stolen car if you wanted it back in driving condition?

BTW how is a nation that hasn't started a war in hundreds of years "unwilling to live and let live"?? If the United States govt was willing to live and let live, millions of iraqis lives wouldn't be devastated.

Based on body count alone, looks to me like iran is more willing to live and let live than any of their vocal detractors, some who lie in order to start illegal wars and summarily slaughter people who mean them no harm... all for profit.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix


Heck, I say we Nuke the UN in New York first - get those traitors off our soil, then nuke Iran.


[edit on 29-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]

Nationalism will destroy the World.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


There is a reason for Irans hatred of America. That is the CIA involvment in the overthrow of the Democratic Iranian government in 1954, which was Nationalist and interested in securing its oil revenues for itself, not the multi-nationals. In its place was placed a ruthless dictator who was hated by the population, so much so that a fundementalist thocracy was preferred, with the Khonemi revolution in 1979, which many Iranian no doubt now regret.

This is all in the history books my friend, no one hates anyone for no reason.

EVERYBODY take a BIG step back here for one minute!

Why do Iran need or want Nuclear Power when they have enough oil to last them maybe at least another 100 years??

I have a company car with my fuel paid for so why would I put some in and pay for it myself, durh?

Iran only have one objective and that is to build Nukes, simple as that!

They have been continually sneaky and basically liars, making the UN look like idiots with their sanctions.

2 and 2 is making 4, wake up, Israel will not wait much longer before they've had enough!

Originally posted by minkey53
EVERYBODY take a BIG step back here for one minute!
Why do Iran need or want Nuclear Power when they have enough oil to last them maybe at least another 100 years??
I have a company car with my fuel paid for so why would I put some in and pay for it myself, durh?

Good question. The answer is

First, it is important to bear in mind that Iran's nuclear history pre-dates the current Islamic government. It originated in the mid-1970's, when the Shah unveiled plans to purchase several nuclear reactors from Germany, France and the United States to generate electricity. With Washington's blessing, the Shah's government awarded a contract to a subsidiary of the German company Siemens to construct two 1,200-megawatt reactors at Bushehr.
A study by the Stanford Research Institute concluded that Iran would need, by the year 1990, an electrical capacity of about 20,000 megawatts. The first cadre of Iran's nuclear engineers was trained at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In recognition of Iran's energy needs, the final draft of the U.S.-Iran Nuclear Energy Agreement was signed in July 1978 — several months before the Islamic revolution.

Second, Iran's present electrical requirements are far larger than had been predicted. With an annual growth of 6 percent to 8 percent in demand for electricity and a population estimated to reach 100 million by 2025, Iran cannot possibly rely exclusively on oil and gas. The aging oil industry, denied substantial foreign investment largely because of American sanctions, has not been able even to reach the pre-revolution production level of 5.5 million barrels per day. Of Iran's 60 major oil fields, 57 need major repairs, upgrading and repressurizing, which would require $40 billion over 15 years. Iran's current production level of 3.5 million barrels per day is increasingly geared toward domestic consumption, which has grown by more than 280 percent since 1979. If this trend continues, Iran will become a net oil importer by 2010, a catastrophe for a country that relies on oil for 80 percent of its foreign currency and 45 percent of its annual budget.

Third, opponents of Iran's nuclear program often argue that Iran should opt for the more economically efficient electricity from natural gas-fired power plants. Such arguments are also not valid. A recent study by two MIT professors indicated that the cost of producing electricity from gas (and oil) is comparable with what it costs to generate it using nuclear reactors — not to mention the adverse effects of carbon emissions or the need to preserve Iran's gas reserves to position Iran in 20 or 30 years as one of the main suppliers of gas to Europe and Asia.

The last but not the least

Fourth, why should Iran deplete its nonrenewable oil and gas sources when it can, much like the energy-rich United States and Russia, resort to renewable nuclear energy? Nuclear reactors have their problems, and they will not resolve Iran's chronic shortage of electricity. Yet they represent an important first step in diversifying Iran's sources for energy.

Surce: www.nytimes.com...
It's a simple matter of asking the question and finding the answer. I did not answer to rest of your rhetorical nonsense because it has no place in a decent discussion if that was what you aimed for.

reply to post by December_Rain


Looks like you're one of these people I was talking about taking a step back and waking up to what is really happening.

Yes, they have the right to nuclear power, the same as anybody else.

But other countries go about it the right way, letting the UN make normal and proper inspections, not delaying them for weeks so they can hide things, not making secret sites underground.

Can't you see that?

Being 100% open and honest is the only way Iran will get other countries to start to trust them. They way they are doing things at the moment is sneaky and just plain stupid. Are you Iranian by the way? Oh, I am not Jewish either!!

reply to post by minkey53


To be fair, Iran is actually a net importer of Oil dues to its technological limits on refining etc, and has in general a huge energy problem. www.moneyweek.com...

Are they making nukes? Its a big what if question. The world certinly does does need another country obtaining nukes, particuly one that contains fanatical elements.

But in my opinion, the development of any nuclear weapon by Iran, is even though it sounds crazy, a defensive measure. Israel has hundreds of nukes and could easily destroy Iran if it lobbed a couple of nukes Israels way, no doubt the U.S would also respond in kind. So with this scenario in mind, you have to ask yourself why would Iran develop the weapon as an offensive measure when it would clearly be destroyed if it launched?

A good example would be N Korea, who despite all the harsh rhetoric from the West have no chance of being invaded to initiate a regime-change because it has Nuclear weapons.

It is no secret the U.S have been seeking a regime change in Iran along with Israel ever since the 79 revolution, therefore the regime sees a nuclear weapon as protection from any attempt along this line.

Some argue Iran would look to supply a terrorist group with a nuclear weapon. But surely this would be traced back to Iran and the above stated destruction would be reigned down upon them.

People like to paint the Iranian government/clerical leadership as insane and completly irrational. Agreed there are those elements but there are also others who would not seek to have Iran destroyed with a nuclear launch and sent to Paradise.

If Iran can be bought into the fold and agree to inspections on its nuclear programme the whole situation could be defused. But at the same time you can understand why they don't when not many other countires with a nuclear programme such as Israel do not allow this.

reply to post by Peruvianmonk


Thank you, excellent reply, there are normal people out there!

Hope that cleared things up for many others?