Originally posted by keeb333
reply to post by Donny 4 million
No, the state does not "own" my children any more than I do. People cannot be owned (see the 13th Amendment). Slavery is illegal in the United
At one time, slaves would have been considered chattel, but this no longer applies.
Interesting nick you have there - with three three's and all ...
On the surface, it looks as if you are right. People can't really be owned - at least, living human beings can't be owned.
But "persons" can.
A "person" is created, when you register your child. BOTH parents then sign the child's registration, which then provides the JOINDER between the
living human being, and the paper-"person", making the child effectively owned by the government - they can do anything they want to the child,
because it's now joined with the "person" that THEY created (and thus own).
They own the "allodial title" to the child's "person". And you provide the joinder between the living human being and the paper-"person" they
created - you have simply the lesser title (you don't own the "person", but you are the designated guardian - as long as it fits the government,
Do you have the freedom to choose when your child goes to school, or IF he/she goes to school, or does government decide it? Which of you really then
owns the child?
Do you have the freedom to take your child away from a government school for a holiday, any time YOU want - or do you have to wait until the
"government-designated time" comes, when all the kids have holiday?
If the government doesn't own your child (at least in effect), then WHY do you think they can dictate ANYTHING concerning supposedly "your
It's not just semantics or talk about slavery - this is a very real thing, manifesting in the everyday life of almost all of us.
Can the government take your child away, if it sees fit? (For example, if someone complains to the social services that you are "abusing" (that's
an easy word to define, isn't it?) your child - regardless of whether you actually do or not)
I know you probably think you are rational and you probably mean well, but you simply lack the knowledge of how deep this goes, and how this all
works. You have been DUPED, but that doesn't mean that your children can't be owned - they can, and they are, and you willingly HELPED it happen!
Don't sign any forms from the government - don't sign registrations, applications or submissions! Regis = King.
Registration = Property of the king = Property of the government. You transfer the allodial title of your car when your register it, and you only have
the 'right to use' it. If the government wants, it can take your car away. How can that be, if it's YOUR car?
Submission = well, we all know what it means to SUBMIT UNDER SOMEONE ELSE'S AUTHORITY, and that's what every single government submission does that
Application = to apply means "to beg". So you are basically BEGGING that your rights will be taken away, and that you can get some privileges
instead. You are begging to be allowed to consent to being governed by acts and statutes, although as a human being, you only have to obey the LAW.
And not the admiralty law either, but the law of the land, or common law.
I can see myself writing that you wrote, just a few years ago. But since, I bumped into knowledge about how the system works, and it scared the # out
of me. And I started researching, and came to the inevitable conclusion... yep, we have all been duped. ALL my cards have supposedly "my name", in
CAPITALS, and surname first. That was the first proof... since then, I have acquired many, many more. And I can now see this thing working the way it
does in everything.. now all those puzzling quirks about the system that I always used to wonder make PERFECT SENSE.
I don't blame you for not knowing this, because it's not taught in schools, or the mainstream media. Most important truths never are. Trust me on
this - they never are. Anyone who wants to know the truth about anything signifigant, has to use other means to obtain it than mainstream media or
So, while it's TECHNICALLY true that living human beings can't be owned, in practice, because of what people have signed, it has become much less
true - only if you break the joinder, it becomes true again - but otherwise, you'd be wrong.