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I wouldn't recommend masonry to any one.

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posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 04:26 AM

I've been a Master Mason since June of this year. When I first began visiting the lodge for dinners and eventually to receive my First degree initiation I was trying to keep an open mind because it was very important to me that I become a Mason. Right off the bat I felt very alienated and out of place. A whole group of old guys and widows that do nothing but gossip and talk amongst their cliquey circles.... How the hell is a 24 year old supposed to fit into any of this and become a true and faithful Brother?

So initiation night comes around and I'm nervous as a whore in church. I will tell you all now that there is no weird sexual things, it's nothing creepy like that. A lot of ritual and walking in circles blind folded. You take an obligation over a bible (something sacred to be obligated to) and that's pretty much it. At the time it was very moving for me, but later I understood that the brothers really don't even like doing them. All they do is bitch about it. After I found that out the whole experience seemed very superficial and fake.

The second and third degrees aren’t much different than the first. And since this part was televised on the history channel I will tell you how it goes. During the third degree your big right of passage is getting bopped in the head with a fake setting maul. And as before all of this was very emotional for me and I took it very seriously.

Well after becoming a master mason and learning the big masonic secret(**to save a bunch of questions like what is that masonic secret, i will tell you... THERE IS NO SECRET, ONLY GRIPS AND WORDS WHICH I WILL NOT WRITE) things started falling apart... I was spending a lot of time with the Brethren and I started to see their true colors. These men will tell you your great and a good mason and then turn around to the next guy and stab you in the effin back. Hell I even heard a 'brother'... some one who is supposed to have my back no matter what whisper to another 'brother' that my fiance looked like a bar room whore because of her tattoos. Right after I heard him say that he walked over and offered me his hand for a shake and a smile and offered it to her as well!!! I cornered him after the dinner was over and told him if he ever said another cross word about my lady, I'd drag his ass out in the street and beat it.

Well that led to me being labeled a barbarian (HA like Conan?) who only wants to fight. Well I’m sorry fellas but when a man calls your wife a whore because of tattoos on her shoulders he deserves a good ass kicking. Mason or not.

It gets worse. In the masonic obligation a man is sworn to keep a tongue of good report, never to harm a brother in his person or good name, and to reach out and aid a distressed brother who is in danger. Well here we go again. After a meeting A brother who I used to look up to a lot offered to take me out for a beer to congratulate me on completing the Senior Deacons work ( a lot of memory work). I accepted his invitation and we drove to a bar in town that is owned by a brother mason. I was wearing a suit and tie and he was wearing a tux. As soon as we walked in a table full of hood rats started hassling us a bit. No so you understand this, I'm 6'2", 210 white guy and the brother I was with is a little shorter but about the same weight, but he's also almost 60 years old. The table full of little gangsters were all Mexican. Not a race thing, just little cholo hood rats.

I don't think they wanted to mess with me too much but on several occasions they tried to pick a fight with my 'brother'. So remembering my obligations a finished my drink, stood up and told the whole table that if they were looking for a fight then stop picking on the old man, I'll give you what your looking for. Near enough to an exact quote. Bottom line is I was trying to defend my friend who is much older and hasn't been on the streets as much as I have. Sure enough a small fight broke out and that table full of guys were thrown out. Well after that we left and I went home to patch my knuckles up and get some sleep.

The next week at lodge every brother and even some of the brothers wives were doing nothing but talk about that little scrape up in the bar!!!! My friend and brother who I had defended and even took a couple lumps for had gone out of his way to make sure that every Mason in my district found out about this little ruck down at the bar. His words to them were that was an animal and that I beat 5 people up.... He didn't bother to mention that it was to protect him from getting the crap kicked out of him or from breaking a hip or something...

I guess the whole point of this is after being around masons and getting to know them very well I don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them. Actions that took to defend my fiance's honor and protect a brother got so twisted and distorted so quickly that for several weeks I was shocked and very depressed that men I called brothers would turn on me so quickly. Instead of standing up for a brother they cut my legs out from under me.

I still take my obligations very seriously, but I don't think I will ever attend another lodge meeting again after this Thursday. I will be demiting. I will live my life the way any good mason should, honorably, respectfully, and should I ever see certain signs or hear certain words I will respond the way any other mason would. But I will also never forget these experiences that I have been through over the last year or so. And for that reason I would not recommend becoming a mason to any man. Just live a good, honest life.

to correct spelling error in thread title )

[edit on 12/5/2009 by benevolent tyrant]

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 04:43 AM
S & F mate, interesting thread.

It's horrible that the people you called 'brothers' would do such things behind your back.

I also congradulate you for having the self control for not beating the living Sh*t out of the person who called your fiance a whore. To be perfectly honest, if I was you, I would have beat his ass down right then and there for his disrespect.

At least your out of the main game now man.

Good luck in the long run.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:21 AM
Thank you Jordan. I was trying to keep my passions in check... I made him aware that he messed up. Maybe the next time he thinks he's out of ear shot and can open his mouth about a mans lady he'll just keep his trap shut. Either way, you're right. I am taking myself out of the gig. What any of those men do is really none of my concern.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:21 AM
this sounds like a pretty horrible experience after dedicating yourself to this group, and every minute, you have a sleezball backstabbing you verbally, and socially.

I am a MASON... no not a brother mason, but a mason... brick layer.
(thought id add this to be a little funny)

Overall, if these people seem to be bastards, then why dont you leave?

I have a question for you... Master mason. Can you teach me the handshake?

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:25 AM
reply to post by ugie1028

Yes I plan on leaving the lodge. But unfortunately for you I will not be showing any one any masonic grips in my lifetime. Like I said, I still take my promises seriously. The grips i know will go to the grave with me.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:29 AM
Your way better off out of it, you don't need such a group. Just live a decent life and try to do no harm to others, a few good friends and your set. If you want to help others, do some charity work they are grateful for any assistance.

True I have an axe to grind with them, but I think you will find my advice sound.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:31 AM
reply to post by W3RLIED2

thats fine, and thats also good news that you'll be leaving. who wants to be with a group of people stuck in the high school mentality? i have enough immature friends, and being part of a social group filled with them, i would probably lose it too!

good luck breaking away from the clan!

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:59 AM
I'm a Mason also, brickayer that is.
My Grandfather, Father, Father-inlaw all belong to the Masonic Lodge, of which I have great respect, for them.
The ideal of what the Masonic Lodge represents is good, but it does not mean that some of those that are members are not fools, and are just going thru the motions of being a Master Mason.
Illregardless of them, you sould set your self aside and relize the truth's that have been given to you, thru the Masonic Lodge or your own insight.
It might be good if you persue this with the Masonic Lodge, that if you work in the pure essence of what it represents, you will not allow these false things to bring you down to their level of ingnorance.
Reguardless of the things presended to you, it is you that must stand in your place of strength, the Truth that is before you.

These fellows are not inline with what is being taught, you would be better to be a example of what they should be, rather than to criticize their failings.

I have seen, set by example a good man, I have also seen the fool.

Some of these fellows would mostly likely come by and give you a goose to show their level of Wisdom.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by googolplex]

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:14 AM
Why don't you become a Knight of Columbus then?

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:16 AM
reply to post by fmcanarney

Why the need for a group? Seriously?

One man can make a difference, stand in your own light.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:29 AM
It should have been clear from the start that such a large age gap in membership may not work out too well. It sounds like your lodge does too little to recruit younger members. I think you're only hope is to convince your lodge to get a few more people your age. In fact maybe you could branch off from them and form your own lodge or something to that effect.

But in any case, you should have mentioned yourself to your barmate that you did this for him, and then again when he was mentioning it to the others at the lodge. I mean he may not have really understood that and thought you were just being aggressive.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:45 AM
reply to post by Bunker or Bust

I feeel that way as well. The teachings of masonry have taught me a lot and there is still much I can learn from them. I amm just making it a much more personal journey. I've taken it upon myself to live how i believe a good mason should live his life. However, in my case I will no longer belong to any lodge...

Originally posted by fmcanarney
Why don't you become a Knight of Columbus then?

No thank you. I've already been excomunicated from the catholic church. And no it wasn't for becoming a mason it was for other reasons that had to do with my family, mainly my parents getting divorced when i was younger and me telling a priest to go screw himself in confession when i was 15. KOC is out of the question.

reply to post by googolplex

I do agree that taking the high road is always best. In this case I believe thats what I'm doing, or attemting to any way. My criticizing their actions is justifiable. This is an organization that tells you nothing when you want to become a member, and than expects you to be loyal to people who openly talk trash about each other behind each others back. Where is the brotherhood in that??? What kind of bond exists between members who can't trust each other? None, in my opinion. I've always trusted my guts and my guts are telling me to drop the lodge and live a better life without it. That doesn't mean I am throwing away what I've learned through masonic teachings, it just means my journey to the end is solo as far as being a member of a lodge.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:57 AM
reply to post by truthquest

I'm certain that my intentions were very clear before any punches were thrown. But it goes deeper than the fight any way. It's the fact that there is the need for these guys to gossip like a bunch of high schoolers that bothers me the most. Here is an organization that motto is brotherly love, relief and truth, and the whole time all they are doing day in and day out is MF'n each other behind everyones back!!! Thats some real brotherly love! I know this, I've been going through it for almost a year now and its sickening.

I was brought up to deal with people on the level a long time before I ever met a mason. If you have a problem with a man you take it directly to him and speak to his face, eye to eye. If some one has a problem with me I would expect the same. Hell thats practically torn from masonic teachings as well. Honor, respect, loyalty. Those aren't words I take lightly.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:05 AM
thank you for sharing this man,it really is refreshing to hear some true words and insights..seems humans will be humans

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:13 AM
reply to post by Stillalive

I wasn't sure about publishing it after finishing the OP. There are many masons on the board other than myself who I'm sure will have some constructive input here sometime in the next few days. It is what it is though. I try to distance myself from drama as much as possible. In a situation like this the best way to do that is to leave the lodge. And if any of the members here are like that masonry is probably not for you.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:14 AM
Sounds to me as if you joined the wrong Lodge?

If it had been me (and I know it wasn't) as soon as I had the vibe that there was going to be trouble I would have suggested to my Worshipful Brother that we leave and go somewhere else.

That's what I would have done, but we are all different, and I was not in your position on that particular evening

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:29 AM
reply to post by W3RLIED2

I am very sorry to hear about this. We have talked in the past and I was sure you would enjoy masonry as much as I do. I understand completely though about why you are having the feelings you are. Try to remember, masons are just people, and some of them may not be the kind you would hang around. The generation gap is enough to give anyone a strange vibe. Luckily, in my lodge there are a lot of people my age. I just hope that you will remember that there are some good masons out there and that you have some better experiences in the future. If I went to the bar with a guy who was 6'2" and 210 I would feel quite safe. And after he put the smackdown on 5 guys, I would buy him another beer and call him sir.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:30 AM
This is no big deal and I'm no spelling bee whatsoever,but don't you think you should check the title before posting

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:36 AM
reply to post by eyeswilldeceive

I'm a karpenter not an anglish zdudent. I'm not quite sure that matter much any way... it's more about the kontent that it iz ubout the spelling.

Appreciate you pointing that out though.

posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:37 AM
That was no dig just thought I'd let you know,I'm sure you know

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