A serious question should people with HIV be tattooed??

Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by sdcigarpig

 

So areyou saying it is the persons fault who catches AIDS from someone who had AIDS and knew it but didn't tell the person before they had sex? That just seems like murder to me.

What I am saying is that it is a 2 way street. Having unprotected sex, knowing that you can catch something that may be with you for the rest of your life, and that could kill you, should be reason enough for you to stop, and ask your partner about their status. Including asking for proof and protection on both of your parts. If a person does not take those steps, and has unprotected sex, they are partially responsible for anything that they may catch. I do know that in the US if a person is HIV positive and does not inform their partner, it is jail time.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Dear zazzafrazz

I am pointing out that there is another reality way beyond your USA.

I am putting forward an idea that will at least inform a sexual partner of the health dangers of having sex with this person.

What ideas do you have??? The cakes a lovely want one.

reply to post by Rocketgirl


Dear Rocketgirl

Your little photo really suits you.

How about instead of calling me a liar coming up with a better idea.

One that will work.

Everyone is responsible for their own behavior Mac

You don't need to brand people to stop the spread of Aids, constant promiscuous sex as nice as it is is NOT a requirement in life, we can actually learn to Love people and deal with reality and stay in consistent relationships...

It's not that horrible after all

There is one sure fire way to not get aids... it's to be really choosy wait a long time and know your in love...

Additionally...

This would eliminate what? The One night stand?

I've had a couple of girlfriends in the past say.... Hey, no nookie unless you get an Hiv test first.

Not a tragedy, just impulse control

reply to post by HotSauce


Dear HotSauce

Not bad but out here it is not practical but there are plenty of tattoos.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Dear OzWeatherman


We have children here that have been born with the diseases but also little boys and girls who have been raped by family members and got it that way.

I want to see an end to it what about you.

reply to post by Nutter


Dear Nutter

Good job at least there has been some thinking gone on there.

Yes when it becomes mandatory and I am diagnosed positive I will get the tattoo.

Oh hell let go with your idea and brand all health workers.

Hummm

reply to post by MAC269


I never called you a liar, but that word seems to be floating around this thread when it comes to you.

A vaccine is actually in the works for HIV. It's been in and out of the news for years. It's supposed to help stop the spread of HIV. It seems to me that, that idea will and can work if people take it.

Btw, don't you ever try to turn the tables on me like that again. At least I have the balls to answer peoples questions no matter how hard they might be.

reply to post by HotSauce


Dear HotSauce
A few years back I used to ride enduro and I told all the blokes how rode with me that there was a very slight chance that I had the virus. There was no need for a tattoo in my case.

reply to post by Rocketgirl


Dear Rocketgirl

Darling there is a little difference Hitler wanted to kill the Jews I want to stop people with HIV infecting other people.

Can you see that difference???

The tattoo idea in shorts sets up a nanny state, and no one wants that. Once you open the doors to that, then you end up with something that will be perverted and used beyond its original intentions. History and other organizations have showed us that. Take the Organization MADD, we all remember that. The original idea was to prevent drunk driving. Good idea, as the number of deaths due to people driving drunk was high and the creator, Candy Lightner, founder had lost her child from someone driving drunk. But then it got perverted and she left the organization. Why, in her words: "[MADD has] become far more neo-prohibitionist than I have ever wanted or envisioned...I didn't start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issues of drunk driving."
MADD is one of the staunchest supporters of ignition-interlock (aka Prohignition) legislation in the country. Bottom line is if this gets passed, then cars will be fitted with a breathlizers to prevent people from driving drunk and everyone pays the price, both in a loss of liberty and in the cost of a car.
Bottom line is that if you demand the tattooing of people with HIV, then you have to enforce mandatory HIV testing of every single person in the country, and then how do you enforce that they have safe sex? And did you consider the cost of such, who is going to pay for it? Are you willing to have your taxes raised for the cost of all of this, including the therapy sessions for the people who are young and have gotten that tattoo cause they got it from their mother and had no control over getting this horrid disease? Nor have you addressed the privacy issue, what about that, are you willing to have what you do in your bedroom exposed to the public in the interest of public safety?

reply to post by MAC269

Now why didmt you need the tattoo if you thought you might have the AIDS virus?

reply to post by Rocketgirl


Dear Rocketgirl

Even you might just think about it if it became mandatory.

absolutely not. your average infected individual should, for no reason, have their rights tramped because they carry a contagious disease.

i could see that in the case of a habitual 'gifter' or person who knowingly, willingly, and with out warning passes this disease to others than perhaps.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Dear OzWeatherman

Ok in your case despite the fact that for some reason I am trying to save your life.

I have answered all questions try reading.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Dear OzWeatherman

Ok in your case despite the fact that for some reason I am trying to save your life.

I have answered all questions try reading.

reply to post by MAC269


Wow, you can go back and comment on other people's posts but you can't answer there questions.

If you must know, there is no difference because if the people with those tattoo's don't die from HIV first someone who knows about there tattoo could kill them. People tend to talk a lot if someone knew that you had a tattoo to show that you have Aids, do you really think they will keep there mouths closed about it. They will tell everyone they know. People do kill others in groups, just like Hitler once did.

reply to post by MAC269


You can let that go now. Most people wouldn't do that.

Originally posted by MAC269
reply to post by TrueTruth

 

Dear TrueTruth

I would hope that the HIV population would accept the tattoo with grace after all it will not hurt them unduly and help to keep them honest about there infection.

As for the HIV negative population it will only help to keep them that way so I imagine them to be grateful.

Well, seems you have little understanding of human beings then.

And it's annoying now that you keep telling people that their ideas only makes sense in the USA - when you won't even tell us what continent you're on. It's smug, and it's a cheap trick to get out of having to recognize a valid argument. When anyone makes a good point, you just wave your little hand and say, 'ah, you wouldn't get it, you're over there, and i'm over here in the REAL world'. It's snarky, rude, and unimpressive intellectually. Cheap tricks are for poor minds.

For all I know, you're an American too, and you're doing some little 6 week summer program. And it also sounds like you're a classic example of a 'care provider' who actually holds those he helps in contempt, as you want to brand them like cattle. I've seen it all too often.

There's something about you that doesn't add up.

I don't see your demeanor as pleasant any more - I see it more as the sardonic grin of the sociopath. I think you're just enjoying making people angry with an idea you know is inhumane.

Whoever you are, you're kind of creepy

[edit on 29-11-2009 by TrueTruth]

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Dear sdcigarpig

Now here you see a very good answer. For sure you are right the only difference between us is were are priory’s lie.

I for one hate the idea of more power for the authorities. Please take that as a given.

However I have watched them die listened every day for three months to 13 year old crying just yards from my office. Wondering if I had the courage to end it quicker for her as every day was just a day of more pain.

When you watch them die like this you get a different perspective. Trust me of this.