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Peice of AA Flt 77 fell into car via sunroof

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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I read this and felt both angry and amazed at how anyone could make such a claim. Apparently the lady was driving on the bridge that day and saw the plane clip the light poles then once she arrived home, found the piece that she states "must have fell in her care via the sunroof". I wonder if she ever worked with Linda Tripp at Ft. Bragg?


AA Flt 77 peice




posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Amazing story but not unbelievable.

The piece was gifted to the National Museum jointly by Penny Elgas and American Airlines and I see no suggestion of it being a fake.

There's also the piece recovered by Aziz ElHallou (sp?) which, I believe, was presented to the Smithsonian Institute.

It's just another piece of that pesky physical evidence that the 'flyover' advocates have such a hard time discrediting.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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I agree that it is incredible but...I have a difficult time believing that anyone could be in their vehicle and anything "drops in" or otherwise thru the sunroof and them not notice it. The "problem" I have with that story is that if she was looking up at an airplane above or near her as it clipped the light poles then how could she NOT have seen any debris fall into her vehicle via the sunroof? Perhaps it could have happened, but I'm having a very difficult time believing that.









Edited for my poor spelling

[edit on 28-11-2009 by mikelee]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by mikelee
I agree that it is incredible but...I have a difficult time believing that anyone could be in their vehicle and anything "drops in" or otherwise thru the sunroof and them not notice it. The "problem" I have with that story is that if she was looking up at an airplane above or near her as it clipped the light poles then how could she NOT have seen any debris fall into her vehicle via the sunroof? Perhaps it could have happened, but I'm having a very difficult time believing that.


Its been well proven beyond not only a reasonable doubt but any slight shadow a shadow of a doubt that "Flight 77" didn't hit the light poles in the first place, and therefore this story is false at least in some way.

Just from this story it isn't totally clear to me however that the woman claims to have seen the plane hit any light poles, so I'm not going to accuse her of telling a point blank lie.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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I don’t believe any of it, it would have been all over the News had it really happened.
More lies by our wonderful FBI to sell more lies to secure their OS. I know thing are not what they appear to be, that includes hearsay information and planted evidences.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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If the 747 was low enough to clip the light poles, and she was close enough UNDER the plane to have a peice of the plane magically fly in through her sun roof, shouldn't the jet's exhaust flipped the car right the hell over?



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by dashen
If the 747 was low enough to clip the light poles, and she was close enough UNDER the plane to have a peice of the plane magically fly in through her sun roof, shouldn't the jet's exhaust flipped the car right the hell over?


Exactly! I think this is some gov-spun fable to tug at the heart strings of those who believe MSM.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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There's more info about this story in this thread.

Another thread with more info.

Take a look.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by tezzajw]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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When Colombia exploded over East Texas, many people were sent to jail for picking up pieces and trying to keep them. It was part of an investigation.

If this is true, the woman should be arrested for having a piece of the plane that was part of an investigation.

The story seems to indicate that she has had it all along and never turned it over to authorities.

Am I wrong?

I also find it odd that she didn't stick around to give her account of what she saw to authorities.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
There's more info about this story in this thread.

Another thread with more info.

Take a look.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by tezzajw]


Interesting. Their story just can't seem to be correct at any level. One time its this, the next its that.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by jam321
When Colombia exploded over East Texas, many people were sent to jail for picking up pieces and trying to keep them. It was part of an investigation.

If this is true, the woman should be arrested for having a piece of the plane that was part of an investigation.

The story seems to indicate that she has had it all along and never turned it over to authorities.

Am I wrong?

I also find it odd that she didn't stick around to give her account of what she saw to authorities.


Excellent point indeed!



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 03:43 AM
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Thanks for heading me in the right direction

I looked into the recent Jeff Hill phone interview with Penny Elgas which I hadn't previously heard and also her written statement presumably from 2001. Indeed it looks as if the original published tale was simply a case of journalists and others filling in the gaps with their own inventions which really doesn't surprise me much


Jeff Hill phone interview with Penny Elgas 2009

She says she must have picked up that piece of the plane from the ground with all the other belongings she was hurriedly transferring from the front seat to the rear seat and surely no-one can have a problem with that version of how it got into her car. It's somewhat less fantastic than having it fall un-noticed through the open sunroof.

Aziz also picked up a piece of the aircraft in that area so how did these aircraft pieces get there all over the road?

These people surely would have noticed if all that debris that Penny describes driving over to escape the area had been on the road prior to the plane flying over and to suggest it was planted secretly immediately after the event is beyond believable. She's also a solid plane-hit-building witness and also mentioned seeing a mangled part of one of those light poles on the road as she left - she thought it looked like part of the lamp-head itself but was concentrating on getting the hell out of there and not taking much notice of anything beyond where she was going (away).



[edit on 29/11/2009 by Pilgrum]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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How completely LOL the official story is...

oh your right, not the sunroof, I must have accidentally picked it up off the ground, AND THAN moved it from the front seat to the back seat....and than I was just trying to get away...but I remember the light pole

I mean really..


and people say truthers are the nutty ones??

Do you ever just feel stupid regurgitating this official crap?

edit: sorry..didn't mean to sound like i'm singling anyone out..just ment for anyone who does regurgitate the official crap lol

[edit on 11/29/2009 by toepick]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Pilgrum
There's also the piece recovered by Aziz ElHallou (sp?) which, I believe, was presented to the Smithsonian Institute.


the mossad agent who was running around from tv show to tv show showing off the evidence and no one ever arrested him for stealing evidence from a crime scene......

think about that.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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It was a 757 not a 747 and there are plenty of photos of the clipped light poles. The pictures at the linked site are consistant with a piece of the leading edge of the wing's construction. Including the tape placed on the edge to prevent erosion.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
It was a 757 not a 747 and there are plenty of photos of the clipped light poles.


yeah theres pictures of light poles. too bad not one single witness will state on camera that they actually witnessed a plane hitting light poles and every witness filmed on camera said they didn't see the plane hit any........



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by dashen
If the 747 was low enough to clip the light poles, and she was close enough UNDER the plane to have a peice of the plane magically fly in through her sun roof, shouldn't the jet's exhaust flipped the car right the hell over?


Well first off it was not a 747... It was a 757, quite a big difference!

747:
Max take off weight about 400 metric tonnes, 4 engines, length 71m, wingspan 70 m, height 20m can seat more than 940 people...

757:
Max take off weight about 120 metric tonnes, 2 engines, length 50 ish meters, wingspan 38m, height 14m and can seat about 430...

But yes it could flip a car - but it would have to pass directly over it... And actually thinking about it the aircraft is moving... Whenever you see them flip a car with a jet in on the TV for some reason they have a stationarl passenger jet and then wind the engines up... A plance flying over head would not have the same effect as the jet blast is passing and not focused...

But any way she never said it flew directly over head - it is conceivable that with the forces involved that little piece could of been flung a long way... And if it did fall cleanly through the sun roof maybe it made very little sound - her attention would of been on the pentagon... If it did happen like she said.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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The long and the short of it is that this was a joint donation to the musuem by Penny Elgas and American Airlines. The latter obviously don't doubt it is part of their plane.

If truthers have doubts; get the piece investigated.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

The long and the short of it is that this was a joint donation to the musuem by Penny Elgas and American Airlines. The latter obviously don't doubt it is part of their plane.

If truthers have doubts; get the piece investigated.


I'm sure it is part of their plane. Question is how did the part of it get in her possession when no plane hit the Pentagon?



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by mikelee

Originally posted by Alfie1

The long and the short of it is that this was a joint donation to the musuem by Penny Elgas and American Airlines. The latter obviously don't doubt it is part of their plane.

If truthers have doubts; get the piece investigated.


I'm sure it is part of their plane. Question is how did the part of it get in her possession when no plane hit the Pentagon?


Flight 77 hit the pentagon. American Airlines confirmed it was their plane (they had sent their own employees to the pentagon that day, to start identifying the plane parts). The NTSB identified it as American Airlines flight 77. Control tower reports confirmed it was Flight 77. Eye witneses confirmed seeing an American Airlines plane fly toward and hit the pentagon.

Physical evidence proves that it was Flight 77 that hit the pentagon.
The DNA evidence proves that the passengers aboard flight 77, were found in and around teh crash site at the pentagon.
Forensics proves a plane hit the pentagon.



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