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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Regardless to the language Adam and Eve actually spoke, the record we have of the events (Old Testament) were written in ancient Hebrew, with a few short elements in Aramaic (these are: (Ezra 4.8–6.18 and 7.12–26, Jeremiah 10.11, Daniel 2.4–7.28).
The way I was taught to study the bible, was to get a Hebrew bible, find the word used for "apple or fruit" from this passage and look up the Hebrew definition of it.
The New Testament was written in Greek but we know the writers spoke Aramaic which is a dialect of Hebrew. So when I study the TN and a Jewish person is speaking, like Jesus, I look up the words in Hebrew to get a more complete understanding of his thought proceses because Jesus was first a Jew.. his thought processes would be Jewish. He and his deciples also spoke Greek as a second language. Greek was the most prevalent language of the time that almost everyone spoke. This is why the NT was written in Greek - to bring the known world the Gospel of Jesus.
I find it helpful to have Hebrew and Greek literal translations with the use of Hebrew and Greek concordences, lexicons and dictionaries.
Originally posted by Julie Washington
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.
Thus they became mortals.
A good question would be "what would we be today if they hadn't eaten the apple?" Dumb, old and naked?
Originally posted by On the Edge
Look at all the New-Age philosophies today. Don't they all state similar things,that "You are a god;all is god,god is all"?
"Lucifer was cast from Heaven for attempting to equal God, who can have no equal. Then, being filled with evil, Lucifer tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, telling her that if she ate the fruit, “your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Thus began the fall of man as he attempted to be as God."
It's about not trusting God,who had created everything Adam and Eve could possibly need or want. That wasn't good enough for Satan though! He wanted to come along and mess that up,and he's done a pretty good job of ever since!
It was thanks to Satan's generous act of truthfulness that allowed us to understand good an evil, after receiving this gift, we're the one's who get punished because some prick in the sky couldn't watch us run around naked anymore. All powerful, but he chooses punishment over simpler methods of controlling the situation. Might be all powerful, but all retarded at the same time.
That's pretty much exactly how I interpret that story...it bothers me how God refuses that anyone have power close to his...that anyone should question his ways...and that we should be unquestioning and blindly faithful in this Lord...the bible even goes so far as to state "lean not unto your own understanding"...it's basically telling you to throw independent thought out the window and rely only upon the Lord...why in the world did he create us with free-will in the first place then? Just so he is able to send disobedient souls to hell?
Then Satan came along and politely informed us of these trees and why we desired them so much and that God had lied so we wouldn't become equal to God as Satan had attempted to do. This is certainly about trusting God. He wants no equals because he's a tyrant who kills those who question him. Last thing a genocidal tyrant wants is someone equal in power to him.
Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by sirnex
It was after the flood that God set the upper limit of man's lifespan to 120 years or so
Isn't it weird how this is true even to this day?
Just thought I would ad this little tidbit of info
That's pretty much exactly how I interpret that story...it bothers me how God refuses that anyone have power close to his...that anyone should question his ways...and that we should be unquestioning and blindly faithful in this Lord...the bible even goes so far as to state "lean not unto your own understanding"...it basically telling you to throw independent thought out the window and rely only upon the lord...why in the world did he create us with free-will in the first place then? Just so he is able to send disobedient souls to hell?
Originally posted by CHA0S
why in the world did he create us with free-will in the first place then? Just so he is able to send disobedient souls to hell?
[edit on 29/11/09 by CHA0S]
That's exactly right...just because he created us in no way means we should have to worship him or pay the price of eternal suffering...I mean...does a mother have the right to demand her child never becomes an equal...does she have the right to send that child to eternal suffering...she may be allowed to punish the child if they do wrong...fine...but some people who live out in the middle of no-where and haven't even heard of the bible, according to the Cristian faith get sent to hell...
for just one minute and realize that *we did not ask* him to create all of this and had we known that we would not be allowed to live freely without fear of his wrath, we probably would not have wanted it. At least I wouldn't.
Precisely...and since he apparently knows all, it makes it even worse...it's like he does all this on purpose and takes pleasure in doing it...then when someone questions him or attempts to gain power equal to him...BE GONE WITH YOU...imagine if we had a one world government and the head honcho was like God...
We should not blame Adam, Eve, or Lilith for their removal from Paradise, or even Satan's pride (God created Satan with that pride) we blame GOD for making an inferior universe with inferior beings populating it.
Originally posted by CHA0S
imagine if we had a one world government and the head honcho was like God...
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
I have to just stop you with this post here, as none of it is relavant to anything.
Dude asked about apples in the Bible. I merely told him when that connection was made. It doesn't matter if it is in the Hebrew. It doesn't matter if it is in the Greek. What matters is that it was connected in the Latin, as THAT is the source of the confusion.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I did not understand how you made a Latin connection. [edit on 29-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
Originally posted by Xeven
I have a question...when god created Adam and Eve did God know they would eventually eat of the tree of knowledge? If he did not why not? God is supposed to know all correct?
If he did know they would eat of the tree why did he create them in the first place? In fact if God knows everything then he knew from the start how sinful we would become. If not then he made a mistake? or did not have the power to create sinless creatures?
Did god create humans just to toy with us and have us worship him? Why would he need worship? Was he depressed and looking for some company to worship him?
I am being serious here. The gods as described in the middle eastern bibles seems very odd to me. It appears he created many of us just so we could die and not enjoy eternal life with him and Jesus.
So either god created many of us knowing we would never believe or he could not make us perfect...
Explain that please.