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What do Scientologists believe?

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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Can someone sum up what scientologists believe in a couple of sentences? I'm trying to do some research on it but there's tons and tons of info to sift through. I've never looked into what their beliefs are.




posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Any set of beliefs that could be reduced to a few sentences are beliefs capable of reducibility and as such are dubious beliefs. If you are not willing to take the time to read all the material supplied by Scientology that endeavors to explain their set of beliefs then you are not willing to know those beliefs. Indeed, it has been one of humanity's greatest problem that we have become so lazy as to think that complex ideas and beliefs should be reduced to nothing more than a few sentences. Thus, the vast majority of people know nothing about political beliefs other than what they have read in a dictionary or web site willing to reduce those beliefs down to just a few sentences.

We know little of capitalism or communism because the majority of us only know what has been reduced down into easily digestible tidbits of data that neither serve as information nor do they instruct. The more one reads about an issue or subject the better chance that person has of coming to understand the issue or subject. Read what has been provided and decide for yourself what Scientology is about. It is, after all, a religion and as such it is a subject of a highly personal nature and no amount of reduction of verbiage will help you understand such a personal belief.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Let me rephrase my question:

Are scientologists full of it?

[edit on 28-11-2009 by krull11]

Edit by spiderj for T&C circumvention...lets watch those swears folks.

[edit on 11/28/2009 by Spiderj]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by krull11
Let me rephrase my question:

Are scientologists full of it?

[edit on 28-11-2009 by krull11]


If you are not capable of making such a determination on your own then it is unlikely any other opinion will clarify the matter.

[edit on 11/28/2009 by Spiderj]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by krull11
Let me rephrase my question:

Are scientologists full of it?

[edit on 28-11-2009 by krull11]


*YES* ...

Scientology believes in the great L. Ron Hubbard and his wondrous fictional religion that he created to make a lot of money. He died on Earth and is now living on a planet very far away.

[edit on 11/28/2009 by Spiderj]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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scientology is one of the most valuable methods of organizing reality that i have ever come across. it faces a TON of criticism, and i have a lot of disdain for it, myself. but there is some information in it that will blow you away.

...more to come...

[edit on 28-11-2009 by tgidkp]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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As far as I can tell, they believe in aliens and... something like that. I'll have to do a bit more research but I thought the point of it could be summed up rather quickly. Kinda like how Jesus came, died for our sins and now we're waiting for armageddon. You know, that kinda thing.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by krull11
As far as I can tell, they believe in aliens and... something like that. I'll have to do a bit more research but I thought the point of it could be summed up rather quickly. Kinda like how Jesus came, died for our sins and now we're waiting for armageddon. You know, that kinda thing.


Ah OK, I got this one.

Aliens dropped us off in a rocket that looks like a DC-7 Jet *or something like that*, put a really bad alien dude in a volcano in Hawaii *I think* and the only way to get bad aliens out of your soul is to pay outrages amounts of money to the Church so they can teach you how and each new level of teaching costs a hell of a lot more than the last level.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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From what I understand, basically they believe in Xenu which is an evil alien overlord who's minions infect our bodies and will kill us all or something like that, Xenu is trying to take over the world and there is also a volcano in there somewhere.

Watch out for the Scientologist though they will resort to violence and even kill you for challenging them.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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nevermind all that Xenu bullcrap. granted: LRHubbard has given us some truly bizarre mythologies. but the mythologies are useless in comparison to the doctrines. i am not certain that he didnt go mad in the end, and drag down his whole organization with him.

i find the "upper level " Operating Thetan rundowns to be downright frightening, and i am always wary of an organization that offers enlightenment at a cost of money. but in his earlier years, LRH seems to have really linked into some fascinating concepts. i have read Dianetics, and a large number of inner-circle Scientology books.

the following are known as "The Factors", written by LRH:



1 Before the beginning was a Cause and the entire purpose of the Cause was the creation of effect.

2 In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE.

3 The first action of beingness is to assume a viewpoint.

4 The second action of beingness is to extend from the viewpoint, points to view, which are dimension points.

5 Thus there is space created, for the definition of space is: viewpoint of dimension. And the purpose of a dimension point is space and a point of view.

6 The action of a dimension point is reaching and withdrawing.

7 And from the viewpoint to the dimension points there are connection and interchange. Thus new dimension points are made. Thus there is communication.

8 And thus there is light.

9 And thus there is energy.

10 And thus there is life.

11 But there are other viewpoints and these viewpoints outthrust points to view. And there comes about an interchange amongst viewpoints; but the interchange is never otherwise than in terms of exchanging dimension points.

12 The dimension point can be moved by the viewpoint, for the viewpoint, in addition to creative ability and consideration, possesses volition and potential independence of action; and the viewpoint, viewing dimension points, can change in relation to its own or other dimension points or viewpoints. Thus comes about all the fundamentals there are to motion.

13 The dimension points are each and every one, whether large or small, solid. And they are solid solely because the viewpoints say they are solid.

14 Many dimension points combine into larger gases, fluids or solids. Thus there is matter. But the most valued point is admiration, and admiration is so strong its absence alone permits persistence.

15 The dimension point can be different from other dimension points and thus can possess an individual quality. And many dimension points can possess a similar quality, and others can possess a similar quality unto themselves. Thus comes about the quality of classes of matter.

16 The viewpoint can combine dimension points into forms and the forms can be simple or complex and can be at different distances from the viewpoints and so there can be combinations of form. And the forms are capable of motion and the viewpoints are capable of motion and so there can be motion of forms.

17 And the opinion of the viewpoint regulates the consideration of the forms, their stillness or their motion, and these considerations consist of assignment of beauty or ugliness to the forms and these considerations alone are art.

18 It is the opinions of the viewpoints that some of these forms should endure. Thus there is survival.

19 And the viewpoint can never perish; but the form can perish.

20 And the many viewpoints, interacting, become dependent upon one another’s forms and do not choose to distinguish completely the ownership of dimension points and so comes about a dependency upon the dimension points and upon the other viewpoints.

21 From this comes a consistency of viewpoint of the interaction of dimension points and this, regulated, is time.

22 And there are universes.

23 The universes, then, are three in number: the universe created by one viewpoint, the universe created by every other viewpoint, the universe created by the mutual action of viewpoints which is agreed to be upheld – the physical universe.

24 And the viewpoints are never seen. And the viewpoints consider more and more that the dimension points are valuable. And the viewpoints try to become the anchor points and forget that they can create more points and space and forms. Thus comes about scarcity. And the dimension points can perish and so the viewpoints assume that they, too, can perish.

25 Thus comes about death.
26 The manifestations of pleasure and pain, of thought, emotion and effort, of thinking, of sensation, of affinity, reality, communication, of behavior and being are thus derived and the riddles of our universe are apparently contained and answered herein.

27 There is beingness, but man believes there is only becomingness.

28 The resolution of any problem posed here by is the establishment of view-points and dimension points, the betterment of condition and concourse amongst dimension points, and, thereby, viewpoints, and the remedy of abundance or scarcity in all things, pleasant or ugly, by the rehabilitation of the ability of the viewpoint to assume points of view and create and uncreate, neglect, start, change and stop dimension points of any kind at the determinism of the viewpoint. Certainty in all three universes must be regained, for certainty, not data, is knowledge.

29 In the opinion of the viewpoint, any beingness, any thing, is better than no thing, any effect is better than no effect, any universe better than no universe, any particle better than no particle, but the particle of admiration is best of all.

30 And above these things there might be speculation only. And below these things there is the playing of the game. But these things which are written here man can experience and know. And some may care to teach these things and some may care to use them to assist those in distress and some may desire to employ them to make individuals and organizations more able and so give to Earth a culture of which we can be proud.


source HERE.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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I can sum it up in two sentences...

Scientologists are a bunch of holes that believe in a fake religion made up by a science fiction writer who is rolling in his grave with laughter. Scientology is to religion as Kwanzaa is to Christmas.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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Whoa dude, you need to calm the hell down. It'd be different if he asked about a REAL religion, but he only wanted to know what Scientology was all about.

There's no way anyone could back up Scientology and say that it's even real. I mean, the word "Scientology" sounds like a word made up by an 8 year old writing stories about fighting baddies on the moon.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by krull11
Let me rephrase my question:

Are scientologists full of it?

[edit on 28-11-2009 by krull11]


It was created by a successful writer of science fiction and fantasy stories in order to make money. That's all you need to know to answer your question.

[edit on 11/28/2009 by bagari]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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I've posted this before, but this seems like a good place to repost it. I am not a scientologist, but am quite familiar with scientology and it's not really the what of scientology but the how and the why.

This I have found describes it better than anything else to most people.

Hope it's helpful:



My personal feeling is if it doesn't harm anyone and makes you happy go for it. But for many reasons I won't list here scientology does actually harm quite a few of it's members.

My main problem though with scientology is it's pay as you go enlightenment plan. Let's say I open a restaurant called the International House of Pientology. Offering pie and spiritual wisdom in one secure and convenient location.

I offer you an apple pie that with every slice you eat will not only clear you of old bad habits but grant unto you certain and amazing physical and mental abilities.

I wont sell you the whole pie at once as that would be dangerous to you, but I have cut the pie into ten easy slices that I will sell you one at a time (for say 15000 dollars a pop) but I should warn you that if you eat and digest any of the slices of pie incorrectly you will have to start all over again at slice number one with a fresh pie (no freebies).

So you could spend years eating and re-eating the same pie before I decide you've done it all correctly and then once you've finally eaten and digested what amounts to a heckofalot of apple pie and you finally finish that last piece and are waiting for all the spiritual enlightenment you can handle that's when I let you in on the secret level of more powerful Peach Pies that will reveal the true secrets of the international house of pientology to you. This pie is cut into twenty slices for say 8000 a pop a discount for you because you have proven your commitment.

But this pie truly does grant you all the powers I've promised and more, I just couldn't tell you until you ate and digested that apple pie correctly because if I hadn't made you go through that you're brain and spirit never would have been ready for the power of the peach pie.

Of course once you finish the peach pie there's another secret pie that I'll tell you about that will really offer you all the things we've promised.

Though I may just be trying to unload a lot of useless pies for as much money as possible before you figure out that all that money you just spent didn't really make you enlightened just fat and diabetic.

Just my opinion though.

SPiderj
Manager International House of Pientology


Spiderj



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by krull11
Can someone sum up what scientologists believe in a couple of sentences? I'm trying to do some research on it but there's tons and tons of info to sift through. I've never looked into what their beliefs are.


Research this topic carefully, if you wish to identify the specific faith-based tenets of this religions, it will cost you.

But they have to be there, because if there weren't any, they wouldn't be a tax-free organization.

Unless there has been a re-defining of religion, you'll never get an easy answer.

Ultimately, the example set by those who claim faith in the institution and what it represents, is the most accurate way to define what any given religion is, in reality.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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What do Scientologists believe?



Part 1 of the full documentary of the only outside film crew allowed to interview Hubbard. "The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard."





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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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Thanks everyone, very informative


...and I must say, this is some weird stuff



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Its Amway pseudo-psychology. They teach you and then you go out and tech your friends.
It is a pyramid scheme of counseling.

The fact that it keeps secrets until you pay for your knowledge should ring bells.

Other religions plainly tell you what they are about, giving you a chance to be informed for nothing.

When Individuals invest money in their beliefs, it is hard to dismiss those beliefs because not only does it mean giving up an abstract Idea, but also the material resources derived from actual experience that were first needed to establish a belief in that abstract. These costs in terms of resources are fixed and determined by those that are advocating the value of that abstract and there is no way for an outsider that is lacking true knowledge of that abstract to gage whether the resources demanded are fair, or even needed.
This is the reverse of most religions who are inspired by an abstract to volunteer resources in any manner, volume or amount that they themselves feel is appropriate and needed by those that advocate that abstract.

I believe Scientology exploits this to the maximum.
In other words, the more you can get someone to invest in what you will reveal as knowledge even though it looks like a very bad on going investment, the harder it will be for them to resign a quest for that knowledge.

This is the same with investment scams, people will still hand over money in investment schemes that are losing because they are afraid that losing that initial investment.

The same is what is happening with Govt. and Countries that are reluctant to abandon bad Ideas or policy based on the investment of resources in them.

That is why there is an Idea called the Psychology of Previous Investment.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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I'll keep a very long, complicated story short. Total BS.
Been there & done that.
Ruined my marriage. Bad Ju Ju it is.
Only a complete fool would fall for it.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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These pies of enlightenment you speak of...

where do I buy my first slice?

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Scientology should be avoided at all costs. Vince the Shamwow guy got involved with them...how well it worked out for him is painfully obvious:




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