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Afghan teens allege abuse at U.S. 'black' prison

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Afghan teens allege abuse at U.S. 'black' prison


www.msnbc.msn.com

KABUL, Afghanistan - Two Afghan teenagers held in U.S. detention north of Kabul this year said they were beaten by American guards, photographed naked, deprived of sleep and held in solitary confinement in concrete cells for at least two weeks while undergoing daily interrogation about their alleged links to the Taliban.

The accounts could not be independently substantiated. But in successive, on-the-record interviews, the teenagers presented a detailed, consistent portrait suggesting that the abusive treatment of suspected insurgents has in some cases continued under the Obama administrat
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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Well no surprise here. Not that the accounts are proof of any wrongdoings, and this could simply be fake backlash to make support for the war diminish.

However, I believe there are many "black" prisons that we don't know about which all kinds of other things go on.

Remember, if you can't torture them in the States or Gitmo anymore, we can send them to other countries who are happy to do it for us.

Mind you, if any of this is true, it gives a really dark picture of how we operate in other countries, even considering how big "torture" has been among the mainstream news.

Torture Gate anybody?

~Keeper

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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People must be tired of hearing about the US torture it's prisoners eh?

I thought there would be more interest in a story like this? Considering how hell bent Obama was to prevent this sort of thing and then kind of just brushed the issue aside a few months later.

Thoughts?

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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See no evil, hear no evil.

Kind of hard to be a proud and informed American these days.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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As long as they were read their Miranda rights and are eventually given the right to a free and fair trial in New York city it is all cool.

Someone should get attorney general Holder involved in this case immediately.

If there was in fact any unapproved torture in this case all US personnel involved who are found guilty by military tribunals should be handed over to the Taliban for justice.





[edit on 28-11-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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I would agree, but Eric Holder would do anything possible to delay any sort of investigation, we all know that.

This will probably serve nothing at all, just another "terrorist" running his mouth is how they will portray it.

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish

If there was in fact any unapproved torture in this case all US personnel involved who are found guilty by military tribunals should be handed over to the Taliban for justice.






What's funny here? No military tribunal will ever hold military or CIA personnel accountable for torture. Laugh if you want; regardless if the torture was approved or not -- I'd love to see our torturing perps handed over to Afghan locals for justice.

IIRC, seems like I recall a US law passed in the late 1990's that says the penalty for torture is death.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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I doubt career CIA and Military Intelligence personnel who put in their 25 years before retiring while Presidents sitting 12,000 miles away come and go putting in 4 to 8 really care or pay much heed to who is running the show in Washington D.C. In their own little fiefdom they are the President and Washington D.C. for all intents and purposes.

One thing is for certain and that is our detention and interrogation policies in the War on Terror sure are shameful. The notion that the Taliban and El Qaeda are some how more potentially dangerous than Hitler’s Germany or Hirohito’s Japan or Ho Chi Min’s North Vietnam and we can’t afford to treat them with the same international standards that our adherence to in the past has always distinguished our troops as honorable ones on the battlefields is patently absurd and demeaning to the American people and what America stands for.

Our bizarre strategies for winning the War on Terror isn’t eliminating the propensity for radical groups to use terror as a political weapon but increasing it. One would presume that the people in Washington are more intelligent than this but based on the shortsighted logic of some of the citizens who are advocates for inhumane treatment that violates the Geneva Conventions and Accords maybe they aren’t.

Though in my own humble opinion the folks in Washington are intelligent and are deliberately fueling the sentiments that lead to oppressed groups using terror for political purposes to keep the bankrupting but ever so profitable for the military industrial complex War on Terror going strong into the indefinite future.

The penalty for forsaking our own constitutional principles is going to be a lot huger when the bill finally becomes due than any of the people who think it’s a good idea to abandon it for the sake of some imagined expediency.

8 years of conflict in Afghanistan and that nation is no more secure today than it was at the onset demonstrates that abandoning our constitutional principles and international law doesn’t achieve any tangible result except for morally and financially bankrupting our nation.

The politicians in Washington are doing a far better job at destroying America than the Taliban or El Qaeda could ever do.




[edit on 28/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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People must be tired of hearing about the US torture it's prisoners eh?


The problem is that the Taliban and El Qaeda teach there people to make these charges if they are caught. just to turn the public against the PTB.
ics.leeds.ac.uk...

Many of these torrortist leaders have collage degrees and use Vietnam as a script in there media campaign to win the war.

Not that the PTB don't do stupid things to help the terrorist program.

You see the same thing with the Palestine campaign against Israel.
Its known as Pallywood
en.wikipedia.org...
www.zionism-israel.com...

With all the charges and counter charges by the different groups i quit taking anything at face value and start looking for facts that can be proven from independent sources



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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The original article has already been taken down from the ms-nbc website.

Might be why responses are minimal. I would not doubt that at least some of this still goes on; mainly because there are always perverts in any group who will take advantage of being in a power position. Its also still the same military establishment and hierarchy. None of that has changed.



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