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Buried jets??

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 03:11 AM
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Hi all, this is my first topic start here on Ats(might be my last) it was originally intended to headline as "Buried WW2 jets?" but after getting some initial response on a historyforum i opted for the more modest jets.
Story is that i was chatting with a german friend.
Curious as i am i used google earth to locate him, just to see the area where he lives.
After finishing the talk,i took a further sightseeing in the nearby area.
The area was bombed many times during the war, as it was a prime manufacturing site for the v1-v2 bombs and the luftwaffe had a testcenter there aswell.
This made the tour very exiting as i could find bombcraters and lots of military installations in the area.
Browsing a huge airfield,i noticed some strange marks in the outskirts of the field.
Being interested in archeologi im aware that underground anomalies can show as
different coloured grass,reason being the lack of rooting conditions missing water ect.
this in many cases shows the outlines of old settlements roads ect.
Now the outlines i found looks like the silhuets of jetfighters.
They have mesurements that is consistant with smaller jets wingspan is roughly 12 mtr's or 36 feet. Same goes for the lenght.
At first i was thinking it might be grass paled by something in that shape shadowing it.
but there is 4 shapes in all, 1 of them is very difficult to make out, and could be buried deeper if it indeed is buried planes.
I had hope that it was some old nazi-jets like the swalbe"swallow" but the response i got from the other forum suggested soviet mig's, and that the silhuets could be burnscars from the jets being burned.
The soviet mig theory seems plausible as the area was on the eastern side of the curtain after the war.
And as i read they made some pretty strange moves when they left the building so to say. some say fully loaded bombers are buried on another airstrip??
Well i will leave it up to the collected braintrust inhere to tell me if there is any meat on this chicken?
Im not sure i should apologise for my poor english.its not my first language.but i hope it makes sense.
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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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Great find!


One shouldn't think too highly of the Soviet military. When they left their ballistic misslile installations in the Baltic states, they just pumped out the highly toxic rocket fuel straight onto the ground.
So, if they though it would be more convenient just to bury the jets, they most likely did so.

Are these planes on public ground? Are you able to go there and just dig as deep as you want?
Would be really cool to see what's really down there...

Star and flag nontheless!


Ps. Your English writing skills are just fine! Ds.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 03:59 AM
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The friend i mentioned might be able to go there as he lives nearby.
As for digging im not sure that it would be popular. the area are semi-public
to my knowledge, im pretty sure it would be possible to get in there especially
on a weekend.
I got no idea how deep they could be if they exist,would a metaldetector be able to spot something as big as a jet even if it was below 3 feet of dirt?
i guess that or a thin metal rod for probing would be the best suited for a amatour explorer.
only problem being the density of rubble and bunkers in the area,wich could make such task impossible.
I have plans to go there on my motorbike next summer its only 400 km from where i live.
But i really cant see myself doing anything like digging without a permit and a
damn good reason.
And im still not convinced that im not just seeing things that are not really there. did you find the 4'th jet btw?



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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I find this kind of thing fascinating ... perhaps you should get hold of a metal detector. Keep us updated.

Buried jets is not a far-fetched idea - the Iraqis buried several hi-tech jets in the desert:



American teams hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, US officials say.

At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, a Pentagon official said. They had found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad, he added.



Link


Here is a link to the photos:
Photos



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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reply to post by Emiiiiiil
 


Looks like marking chalk like on a tennis court, probably directional arrows for guiding planes .
My 10c



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:33 AM
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The patterns seems to unorganised to be parking markings in my optic.
having seen several airfields on google earth i have never come across these kind of marks.
4 jets seems to be kind of a small fleet.?
And why make parkingspots for jets on a grass field with bushes?
Logic tells me that chalk markings of this sort is ilogical.
But thanks for your input.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 04:46 AM
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Thats why i convinced myself to ask for further advise/confirmation,
the aspect of buried planes is something that comes up ever so often.
And i concluded that i was to puzzeled to just let it go.
i often do finds on Google earth, i pin them and then reformat my pc
forgetting everything i found

thats me in a nutshell, i made fine inventions when i was just about to sleep,
i never write them down and in the morning i get the feeling there is something i should have remembered

On topic those iraqi planes looks pretty ineffective sitting there.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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The patterns seems to unorganised to be parking markings in my optic. having seen several airfields on google earth i have never come across these kind of marks.


If it's an old airfield then it's possible that any other markings have become over grown leaving the odd few artifacts .




4 jets seems to be kind of a small fleet.? And why make parkingspots for jets on a grass field with bushes?


Again if the are is old then it could likely be overgrown, many airfields were just that "Fields" not necessarily the acres of tarmac that normally comes to mind first.





Logic tells me that chalk markings of this sort is logical. But thanks for your input.


To be honest the images seem to be too neat to be overgrown planes, if they look like planes they certainly seem to look like paper planes.

I cannot imagine a buried aircraft causing the grass growth disruption in the pattern of a paper plane.

Perhaps you should apply Occam razor = The grass is marked because someone marked it. The area does not appear to be raised indicating the surface to be reasonably flat and less likely (but not necessarily) to have something hidden beneath.

If indeed that is an old airfield and let's say for a minute ww2 who knows what features could have originally been there, the only way to find out is to go there and look.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman
To be honest the images seem to be too neat to be overgrown planes, if they look like planes they certainly seem to look like paper planes.


That's what I think also - to me it looks like the grass was covered over for a few days and starved of light... The lines are very definite - if it was not that triangular shape I would say some kind of tents had been set up?? I don 't know - but they don't look all that old.



posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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I never seen tents with taleplanes?
The germans was pretty heavy users of concrete.the russians might not have been.
like i wrote, i seen nothing like this on other airfields,i would think this feature would be easy to find if it was in common use.
Paperplanes? have you ever seen a mig from above? but if the ideea of paperplanes is more logic to you, im sure they will be gone when i get there.
the feature does not look very old? so if i find outlines of lets say old buildings and post them your conclusion would be,it was demolished last month?
like i wrote these marks can be seen for hundreds of years if the underground was desturbed.


[edit on 28-11-2009 by Emiiiiiil]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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What are the coordinates? You can very clearly make out the aircraft, as well as a builing in the bottom center...perhaps the 2 diagonal lines are the outlines of what used to be a runway??



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by Emiiiiiil
 


I find this kind of thing fascinating ... perhaps you should get hold of a metal detector. Keep us updated.

Buried jets is not a far-fetched idea - the Iraqis buried several hi-tech jets in the desert:



American teams hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, US officials say.

At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, a Pentagon official said. They had found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad, he added.



Link


Here is a link to the photos:
Photos







A reported 30 to 40 planes, including several MiG-25 and Su-25 ground attack jets, buried more than 10 feet beneath tons of soil and covered with camouflage netting.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Well i have been holding back on the exact position.
And i do wonder why no one has requested the info earlier?
There seem to be little interests in this "discovery" here.
The markings is on a field that has a circular inclosure wich might have been
testing/firing ground for the v1-v2 missiles.
the markings is placed about 500 meters from the nearest taxiway but inside the airbase perimeter, and there seems to be no reason for prior runways/taxiways to have been build there.
there are several markings in the enclosure that looks like foundations for whatever construction.
Im holding back on the coordinates for now,if the interests do not seem to catch here i rather reveal the place on a bit more engaged forum, im still hoping for more qualified responses here, ill gladly answer any question about sourroundings ect.
Thx to the ones who has shown interests till now.

Ps. im sure that i have already left enough hints, wich should enable most people with a knowledge of this Era, to connect the dots and find the airfield pretty easy. Good hunting.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Actually, lets make this a Christmas contest,i will sum up the already known facts and supply with new ones every time someone comes up with a qualified
reply.

this is what is known.

1:the airfield is located in germany.during the iron curtain it was eastgerman.
2:it was testing/launch site for the V1-V2 bombs
3:the markings are about 500 mtrs from a taxiway.
4:there is 4 markings in all,3 of them are very visible the fourth marking is much darker and harder to spot.

Again good hunting.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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I found the location. It was pretty easy.
The only thing I can add is that they the appear to be
Approx. 38 foot wingspan.
Approx. 46 foot length.

Its difficult to tell exactly.

I'm not an aviation expert, but they don't appear to be migs, judging by the lenght and how the wings seem to be starting very near the nose.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Why won't you check with the local administraton?
You Germans are always so neat and organized

I bet they have records over everything that have happened at that location for the last 700 years or so


I'd say that would be the easiest and best way to start.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Yeah the germans might be neat and organized. but im not german,i would have no clue where to ask, then again there is a big war time museum nearby.
they might have interests in checking it out.
looking around a little, they do look a bit like the The MiG-21 2000 with the nose section taken off. www.airforce-technology.com...

or www.vectorsite.net...

to say that they look nothing like mig's is a bit off. even the measurements seems to about there.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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So, can I reveal the location yet?

As a side note, (not to hijack your thread), but, in researching buried aircraft I found an article about some aircraft being recovered at a different airfield. They were buried in the late 1940's and uncovered in the late 1990's.

I did some google earthing because they said they are sure there is more and guess what I found at that airfield?



Its smaller than your find, and all alone.
I mention it, because maybe it reinforces what you found.

Maybe its nothing.




[edit on 11/30/09 by makeitso]



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Super cool find. yeah its ok to tell the location now i guess.
its a place called peenemunde. just south of denmark and in the very north of germany. very historical place with tons of strange things to see.
the one u found looks very much like mine. is it roughly the same size?
looks like its missing some details too like mine,
mine looks like cockpit and engine could be missing,
do u have any articles regarding your find?



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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Here is a link to your find and a pic with circles around them.
Do you see the possible 5th one I circled?


Also, yes, the one I found is a smaller one.
The wingspan seems to be about 22 feet, and length of about 28 feet.
Here is a link to it, and a pic.


Here is a link to the official article on the one I found.

Since the field's closing, many people have come forward and talked about either seeing being involved in the dumping of planes and parts at Freeman Field. Serious efforts to recover this material began in early 1992.
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The amount of buried material recovered is quite large and exceptionally interesting. However; still persisting, is the rumor that unopened crates of Luftwaffe material are buried somewhere on the field. If these crates do exist, their contents will prove to be of significant value to museums all over the world. So, the search continues.

It has pic's of some of the aircraft that were believed to have been there in the 40's, including this one:
German Horton 229 "Flying Wing" being unloaded from
train at Freeman Field, August 1945



Hopefully I didn't confused anyone by posting the one I found.
Yours is more awsome IMO.


[edit on 11/30/09 by makeitso]




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