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Topic started on 28-11-2009 @ 03:11 AM by Emiiiiiil
Hi all, this is my first topic start here on Ats(might be my last) it was originally intended to headline as "Buried WW2 jets?" but after getting some initial response on a historyforum i opted for the more modest jets.
Story is that i was chatting with a german friend.
Curious as i am i used google earth to locate him, just to see the area where he lives.
After finishing the talk,i took a further sightseeing in the nearby area.
The area was bombed many times during the war, as it was a prime manufacturing site for the v1-v2 bombs and the luftwaffe had a testcenter there aswell.
This made the tour very exiting as i could find bombcraters and lots of military installations in the area.
Browsing a huge airfield,i noticed some strange marks in the outskirts of the field.
Being interested in archeologi im aware that underground anomalies can show as
different coloured grass,reason being the lack of rooting conditions missing water ect.
this in many cases shows the outlines of old settlements roads ect.
Now the outlines i found looks like the silhuets of jetfighters.
They have mesurements that is consistant with smaller jets wingspan is roughly 12 mtr's or 36 feet. Same goes for the lenght.
At first i was thinking it might be grass paled by something in that shape shadowing it.
but there is 4 shapes in all, 1 of them is very difficult to make out, and could be buried deeper if it indeed is buried planes.
I had hope that it was some old nazi-jets like the swalbe"swallow" but the response i got from the other forum suggested soviet mig's, and that the silhuets could be burnscars from the jets being burned.
The soviet mig theory seems plausible as the area was on the eastern side of the curtain after the war.
And as i read they made some pretty strange moves when they left the building so to say. some say fully loaded bombers are buried on another airstrip??
Well i will leave it up to the collected braintrust inhere to tell me if there is any meat on this chicken?
Im not sure i should apologise for my poor english.its not my first language.but i hope it makes sense.
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reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 04:04 AM by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by Emiiiiiil


I find this kind of thing fascinating ... perhaps you should get hold of a metal detector. Keep us updated.

Buried jets is not a far-fetched idea - the Iraqis buried several hi-tech jets in the desert:


American teams hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, US officials say.

At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, a Pentagon official said. They had found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad, he added.



Link

Here is a link to the photos:
Photos


reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 04:08 AM by moocowman
reply to post by Emiiiiiil


Looks like marking chalk like on a tennis court, probably directional arrows for guiding planes .
My 10c


reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 04:46 AM by Emiiiiiil
reply to post by deltaalphanovember


Thats why i convinced myself to ask for further advise/confirmation,
the aspect of buried planes is something that comes up ever so often.
And i concluded that i was to puzzeled to just let it go.
i often do finds on Google earth, i pin them and then reformat my pc
forgetting everything i found
thats me in a nutshell, i made fine inventions when i was just about to sleep,
i never write them down and in the morning i get the feeling there is something i should have remembered
On topic those iraqi planes looks pretty ineffective sitting there.


reply posted on 28-11-2009 @ 07:44 AM by moocowman
reply to post by Emiiiiiil




The patterns seems to unorganised to be parking markings in my optic. having seen several airfields on google earth i have never come across these kind of marks.


If it's an old airfield then it's possible that any other markings have become over grown leaving the odd few artifacts .



4 jets seems to be kind of a small fleet.? And why make parkingspots for jets on a grass field with bushes?


Again if the are is old then it could likely be overgrown, many airfields were just that "Fields" not necessarily the acres of tarmac that normally comes to mind first.




Logic tells me that chalk markings of this sort is logical. But thanks for your input.


To be honest the images seem to be too neat to be overgrown planes, if they look like planes they certainly seem to look like paper planes.

I cannot imagine a buried aircraft causing the grass growth disruption in the pattern of a paper plane.

Perhaps you should apply Occam razor = The grass is marked because someone marked it. The area does not appear to be raised indicating the surface to be reasonably flat and less likely (but not necessarily) to have something hidden beneath.

If indeed that is an old airfield and let's say for a minute ww2 who knows what features could have originally been there, the only way to find out is to go there and look.



reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 04:53 PM by StonyJ
Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by Emiiiiiil


I find this kind of thing fascinating ... perhaps you should get hold of a metal detector. Keep us updated.

Buried jets is not a far-fetched idea - the Iraqis buried several hi-tech jets in the desert:


American teams hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, US officials say.

At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, a Pentagon official said. They had found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad, he added.



Link

Here is a link to the photos:
Photos







A reported 30 to 40 planes, including several MiG-25 and Su-25 ground attack jets, buried more than 10 feet beneath tons of soil and covered with camouflage netting.


reply posted on 30-11-2009 @ 06:35 PM by makeitso
Here is a link to your find and a pic with circles around them.
Do you see the possible 5th one I circled?


Also, yes, the one I found is a smaller one.
The wingspan seems to be about 22 feet, and length of about 28 feet.
Here is a link to it, and a pic.


Here is a link to the official article on the one I found.
Since the field's closing, many people have come forward and talked about either seeing being involved in the dumping of planes and parts at Freeman Field. Serious efforts to recover this material began in early 1992.
[...]
The amount of buried material recovered is quite large and exceptionally interesting. However; still persisting, is the rumor that unopened crates of Luftwaffe material are buried somewhere on the field. If these crates do exist, their contents will prove to be of significant value to museums all over the world. So, the search continues.

It has pic's of some of the aircraft that were believed to have been there in the 40's, including this one:
German Horton 229 "Flying Wing" being unloaded from
train at Freeman Field, August 1945


Hopefully I didn't confused anyone by posting the one I found.
Yours is more awsome IMO.


[edit on 11/30/09 by makeitso]
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