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"Liberals" the New Hate Group

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posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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An awful lot of ground covered in your post; maybe a little too much ground. I think you covered everything from micro and macroeconomics, political philosophy, existentialism, the influence of lifestyle on the aging process, the influence of social political ideology on the psychology of happiness, the relationship between political ideology and social group dynamics. I'm sure I missed some of the many subjects you covered but I hope your getting my point that such difficult subject matters are probably not solved so simply as you were trying to portend.

I'd recommend narrowing down your positions and then try to support each position one by one. As it is your post seemed to be not much more than a rambling venting of your thoughts and feelings. Then again, maybe you only intended for your post to be nothing more than a personal psychological catharsis for you.

In your original post you never elaborated as to what your referring to by the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative'. Additionally you seemed to only be looking for confirmations of your positions without bothering to look for refutations. For instance, has being a conservative helped Dick Cheney become happy and healthy?




posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by flyingfish
reply to post by badgerprints
 


No one is happy,
if it is given to you mom or Sam.
How can you ever be happy?
I like new car smell.
My point is..If we are completely satisfied all the time,then what's the point of even getting up in the morning?


Life isn't a long trudge of misery. It isn't a long party either.

As far as happy, that's a choice you make not a car you drive.

I was , once again, responding to another posters "ignorance is bliss" comment. Not trying to bring a happiness quotient to a political view.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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I respect your comment, but a new car will always make me happy no matter how fleeting it is.
The fact I earn it, is even better.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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More power to you.
I'm due for a new one myself.


.......but I'm happy that I really don't need it.



[edit on 29-11-2009 by badgerprints]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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Hmmm...

I did not read every post so if anything resembling what I am about to say has been said, then you get more than my opinion on the matter.

I sense you are having some kind of internal break. What I see is an ego-ridden guilt trip about a lifestyle of excess you once lived that almost destroyed you. Simply stated, under the law, what you are experiencing is the swing of the pendulum. You are recoiling as far into another thing as what you were into previously, and twice as far from that. Your own guilt due to some increase in awareness you experienced is gnawing at you.

Another thing that bothers me is the thing about the "White Women"? What does that have to do with a healthy and relaxed way of living? Yes, I take it personally as the one I will build a life with is not white while I am. Is something inherently decadent about her's and my "lifestyle" choices and "mixing"? I don't think you really believe so, or at least I hope you haven't flipped out that much.

Stop the swing. Stay centered, friend.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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I can e hard to follow... and freely admit this started as a rant... so for that, my apologies...

Just realize... the simplest point I have come through to myself in the Rant

Obama is no more Liberal nor is his Govt, Than Bush was an actual Conservative...

People are following along... again, with an agenda that is all about Global Government...

There is not one genuinely LIBERAL thing going on in this country and Neither is there a genuinely Conservative thing...

They have each side filled with Hate for the other and the real Govt agenda is moving us to a Socialist/Fascist kind of...THING

And there is no name for it yet, I don't actually know what to call it...

But it's as Ignorant to support them anymore as it was for Conservatives to support Bush under the Banner of a word

I really like Liberals... I have chose to live differently than my youth... and be a more Conservative person, but mainly they are Nice...

And the Truth is

Mainly most Conservatives are just as nice in their own way... it's good living among them and have found I prefer it...

When you sit there and hate on these people your hating some reserved church going Grandma... and you'd LOVE her if she baked you a Pie even if you disagree with what she thinks about Sex Drugs or Integration or any other issue...

And she has as much right to live in Peace HER WAY as YOU DO

And we are being DUPED...DUPED badly against ourselves

The only POINT HERE IS.....

LIBERALS are being just as bad as Conservatives have been, they are willing to thrash anyone that doesn't follow an agenda and philosophy of PC for lack of a better word Label Them, Brand them...even DISPOSE of them

And they are people and AMERICANS and don't need people 3000 miles away deciding what goes on SOCIALLY, EDUCATIONALLY and in other HUMAN day to day ways from Washington...

Any more...than they have a right to do that on the opposite end...

If we KNOW how wrong it is when they have done it... why sink down?

and in the end...

It's NOT because they are sitting HERE caring at all what you do over THERE any more than YOU actually give a Damn How they choose to live day to day where they are...

It's because the FEDERAL GOVT has pushed everything in our daily lives into national LAW and FORCED us to fight about it...

They weren't sitting around wanting to engage Nyers in a battle over Social affairs and Morality...

They were MADE to

By Washington

National Abortion laws, National Bias Laws, National Labor Laws, National Drug Laws....

Liberals as well as Conservatives should all be saying... "hey who the hell are you.. I have a city council for this... I can go downtown to a meeting and have my VOICE heard on issue like abortion or sex drugs and rock and roll..."

Hardly any of you seem to get that the erosion of States Rights and Community Rights is the cause of all this madness and anger...

and... you don't need to be very smart to understand...

That the side...THE SIDE I am on...

Is the individual COMMUNITY

I would have the same fight...

If San fransisco wanted to boot the Fed out of the whole marijuana issue... or allow Gay only establishments...

Why because the people there.. tend to be Gay and smoke Herb

And no one in Washington should tell people to change their community or way of life or impinge upon others...

I'm sparking a fight... Because your FIGHTING EACH OTHER and FOLLOWING a Crap Leader instead of FIGHTING THEM and I think Liberals need to WAKE UP, get off Sarah Plains butt... and realize Washington's been up to no good for a long long time

I think we need to realize...

That these people have THEIR ways and if we don't want them barreling back in 3 years and reversing the cycle YET AGAIN...

You need to cut them some slack, stop calling them names, stop making them feel threatened and let them live as they wish... even if YOU choose to think it's a bumpkin way of life...

The real enemy is in Washington...

It wears ANY face it can to get votes and get us angry at each other

United we Stand divided we fall....

And we are Falling

They HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to EVER NATIONALIZE ANY SOCIAL POLICY EVER and it's ridiculous, to run around like it's "our turn to be in charge" because we are not in charge of squat anymore in our own lives

The Conservatives are already beaten up enough having fallen to a Guy who was an Utter lie...

It's not time to waste 8 years with the Liberals doing the same... Just to watch absolute nothing Liberal happen in their lives...

The Cameras aren't going down

The war isn't ending it's SURGING

Military spending over social spending is still ABOMINABLE

Drugs...the war on the people has not ended

Police are still Omni Present

Nothing has changed it's just getting worse...

If you can't LOOK with open eyes and get past the stupid terminology people... we are done, done as a Nation, Done as America



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Some Truth... I have experienced a major life style change Yes...

But guilt or Trauma over it no...

Nothing like that my friend, just happier and healthier and better off and free

And not capable of Understanding why people in My Country are turning on the heart land so...

Why they can't understand that Bush humiliated these people and everything they stand for, that they aren't bad people any more than you are

And that OBAMA is in process of doing the Exact same thing to you

I have trouble believing that anyone in here...say from a guys perspective living in NY or Chicago and LA has NEVER once woken up in the AM got ready for that drive and thought....

"God damn I wish I could still own a small farm, marry some pretty girl and just have a simple life away from all this"

We know...

people in the Heart land think the opposite all the time hop on a greyhound a go to the city

I like this BETTER

I am shocked at times actually

But I do

There's nothing to analyze... there's nothing intense going on...

Other than, a damn strong UNDERSTANDING of WHY people would FEAR loosing this, it's great and I see us walking further and further away from any way to Live without Govt intervention and Corporate paychecks...

And when you've lived that life as I have, well... you can understand when free of it why some of these guys would rather have the "Gun pulled from their cold dead hands" than go back to that type of life...

Truth is...

When your used to being socialized and controlled day and night...you just don't know what it is to be free...

And when you get it, you sure don't wish to give it up...

I look back and realize...wow, what a Neutered Cat you have to be watching anything you say, how you dress how you live where you walk and talk and every aspect of life... controlled by social factors and having to bend your inner self to accommodate others...

And you know that's MY OPINION

Some people truely do like that or whatever reason

Others don't

There is simply no need or reason for Washington to be equalizing behavior a Choice across the Nation.

You can try to Psychoanalyze me all you want...feel free... But save yourself time and Just watch the last 5 minutes of Brave Heart and you'll get it I just don't want to be told how to walk, how to talk how to live what religion I can practice or what i should eat any more than our founding Fathers did



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by QtheQ
An awful lot of ground covered in your post; maybe a little too much ground. I think you covered everything from micro and macroeconomics, political philosophy, existentialism, the influence of lifestyle on the aging process, the influence of social political ideology on the psychology of happiness, the relationship between political ideology and social group dynamics. I'm sure I missed some of the many subjects you covered but I hope your getting my point that such difficult subject matters are probably not solved so simply as you were trying to portend.

I'd recommend narrowing down your positions and then try to support each position one by one. As it is your post seemed to be not much more than a rambling venting of your thoughts and feelings. Then again, maybe you only intended for your post to be nothing more than a personal psychological catharsis for you.

In your original post you never elaborated as to what your referring to by the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative'. Additionally you seemed to only be looking for confirmations of your positions without bothering to look for refutations. For instance, has being a conservative helped Dick Cheney become happy and healthy?



Oh yeah...

Rant for sure... spewing quite a bit


I am talking about what you refer to allot though

Dick Cheney is NO representative of rural Conservative America...

He's a crazy misery of a man who wants to drop flaming Tungsten Rods on people from outer space... he's a psycho.

And I keep saying it... and it's a whole long wided thing so i'll say it again...

These people were branded like Cattle and put out to pasture by the Neo Cons...

And I think Socialist Obama is doing the exact same thing to good Liberal people as well and they play for the same team and backing this up under the banner of either Liberalism or Democracy is a big, big mistake...

And where the simpler side of America fell for it for 8 years I'd think...I'd think all these SO CALLED LIBERAL INTELLECTUALS would have enough PATTERN RECOGNITION to see it's happening again and they are the patsy's this time around.

Every single Liberal that has come in...is so busy getting mad at me over a BRAND but simply over looking a plain and Obvious Truth

The new president bats for the same deranged socialist fascist NWO the last one did and all he did was change the people he made his bs promises to in order to get elected.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:46 AM
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Ok you want the truth?I can't afford a new truck,does not mean I don't want one.
I can ramble on all night long about what I want.
So to the poster.. Talk about some political agenda.

Not sure myself what it is you really need.
Could you please in" fifty words or less" tell me what it is you want?



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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mopusvindictus

i hate labels and stereotypes but after reading your replies I'd have to say you are basically libertarian. I might be wrong as I have not read all the replies but your take on states rights is right on.I think Obama is as liberal as he can be given the present situation in the middle east and with the economy of the world. None of us know what he was briefed on and probably scared into believing after elected. Bush was not conservative.
There are virtually no conservatives left in this country. Palin left the town she was mayor of with a bigger debt than before she was elected, another failed conservative.
We have a two party system in this country consisting of tax and spend democrats and borrow and spend reublicans. Although Obama is doing the best ever job of borrowing and destroying this country



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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I wouldn't say it's a psychoanalysis. It's just the message I got, even if it sounds so. Something just seems a bit too "intense" here, some weird vibe. Can't explain why. Must just be an hallucination like people always say to me.


I have no want of the city or to be controlled in any respect. I too prefer a more isolated setting. The more trees the better. I do not want to see neighbors. I understand. No, I don't want it lost since. It's in my plans afterall. I also don't want a bunch of yokels around who care if I'm race polluting or whatever. As long as they're cool and can all get along, then it's all good.

Have you heard of People Are Wrong?

The show tells the story of a young New York couple who move to the country upstate and are tormented by Xanthus, a cult leader posing as a gardener/landscape artist. The story is told entirely in music, most likely making this musical a rock opera.


One song goes "We can't hear your car alarms from our renovated barn!"

Obviously more than a few have thought about it and helped turn this longing for simplicity into a stereotype.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by flyingfish
Ok you want the truth?I can't afford a new truck,does not mean I don't want one.
I can ramble on all night long about what I want.
So to the poster.. Talk about some political agenda.

Not sure myself what it is you really need.
Could you please in" fifty words or less" tell me what it is you want?


Okay lol 50 words or less...

I want Liberals and Democrats to realize they are turning on their own people at the whim of a Federal Govt that wishes to divide us to put in place a Socialist system and that this govt is NOT Liberal


shwoooooo

Didn't know I could do that....



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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You don't think there is a MAJOR distinction between Liberal and Socialist?

Kind of what i'm saying...

Liberal is not just bombing any Islamic nation at random because they match a description

Opening up the doors of your country and embracing them like lovers when a social war at the least is being waged is... borderline traitors imho

I think it goes way past Liberal

and involves an agenda to completely turn the country on it's Ear...and Islam influence is NOT LIBERAL, Islam is not a Liberal Philosophy...

Women wont be able to wear makeup if that happens to pass...

I really don't know what word to use other than Globalist



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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No if you go back a couple of pages I actually explain why the intensity and it involves a personal dispute with a long time friend and also occasional member who rarely posts but listens daily

So your senses do not deceive you one bit... it was bit intense over a personal attack from a friend

feel free to go back and read... I was admittedly really mad at someone for personal attacks and someone who I have friendship with which makes it worse...



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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Dude, you have just freaked me to the limit.
things that are the same as me
1-worked 60-80 hours a week until recently 100k/year well respected and "honorable" position
2-left because of my total lack of happiness in working my ass off for pretty much nothing, saved only 5k/year
3-am now living off of the heart of the country
4-140+IQ
5-mind travels at the speed of light sometimes(you need to slow down and make your posts more to the point and less transitory in speed, it is a detriment to getting your points across
6-pretty much everything you have touched on is absolutely correct but others do not even try to understand your point of view, I have had this problem. List the points you are trying to make and break it down.
7-Did you say your name is Dave? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People, his main posts are all about the total destruction of the FAMILY UNIT, and how the supposed LIBERAL movement is destroying it just as the supposed CONSERVATIVE movement is doing the same.

We all believe less government is better.

We all believe our government is being manipulated by Mega banks and corporations.

We all believe everyone should be allowed to do as they please, just so it does not hurt another or infringe upon another's rights.

We all believe that taxing the American people into oblivion is not good.

We all believe that both parties are corrupt.

These are both liberal and conservative ideals-now why do you not understand this?

NOW IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THESE THINGS-YOU SHOULD NOT TRY TO TALK TO ME!

OP stars and flags throughout-just try to contain you enthusiasm and make your logical twists and points more obvious and straight forward.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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From a liberals mind, you must accept people for who they are, but conservative's are evil and should have no voice. To a conservative liberals are nothing more then bleeding hearts with no understanding of how the world really works, and as such, should have nothing to do with running the world.

Both groups are a joke. The so called parties exist for one thing, and one thing only, to keep us divided. Liberal/conservative, it makes no difference. An idea should not be judged based on who it came from or how it came about, rather on its overall value to society. By confining yourself to this liberal/conservative bull you do you not only harm yourself, but those around you.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 02:21 AM
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I read the material mopus said to read and I do find it an odd thing to consider success to be to chain yourself to the system much like the children were chained to the machines in the industrial revolution in Russia (am I remembering correctly about that? It had to do with Czar Nicholas II anyway.).

And I really think the breakup of the family unit is deliberate for the purpose of undermining one's communal support structures and encouraging corporate servitude, since no other viable option remains in that case. Really, it started by isolating people in cities where units are mutually anonymous and antagonistic towards one another.

[edit on 11/29/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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I shouldn't even have thrown the Iq issue in that was in anger...

It doesn't take allot of brains to see we are being duped yet again this time under a "liberal" banner

it's just.... gosh damn it how many times do we have to get taken in by bait and switch before we learn to ignore people who wave flags or labels at us for votes only to shoe they all work for the same ridiculous global Agenda?

people thinking i'm ragging being Liberal when what I am saying is none of this is Liberal at all and Liberals are being lemmings just like conservatives were under bush

siiiiiiighhhh

TY for words bro!



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 02:31 AM
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Amen Amen...

Honestly in allot of my initial words...

The Liberal vs Conservative thing...applies to me mainly to life style...

I just think that as we age we mellow and certain "Liberal decisions" made in youth end up being things we regret as we age... and admit freely that was the case for myself...

That perhaps a bit more respect should be given to the words of those that push for a more...wholesome type of life and less allure given to the more decadent side of life because I found allot of what I thought was okay when i was younger..is actually really destructive in ways it's hard to understand when starting life...

and that's all personal...

But I just don't see bagging, so viciously Conservative thought in terms of life and behavior...

There is some wisdom in it...

It's NOT all about fast cars loose women and parties and experimentation... there are severe consequences sometimes...

Sometimes... I do wish I could have lived in my Grandparents time to a degree... They were in Love, they were Happy, they were simple until death at 97

My parents generations late 50's 60's.... a Big Mess... didn't divorce but always it seemed envious and felt lacking maybe... I dunno...

This is kind of a seriously screwed up generation with an 80% divorce rate and 50% drop out rate...

That's a society in serious decline... there are some issue that really need to be addressed we are all about self pleasure..the shrinks talk to us like we should be THRILLED all the time...I can't see how that is real unless you know how to be THRILLED in very simple ways...

This country needs some serious ZEN



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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I believe that in Russia they killed 10's of thousands of people just to convince them to wear watches to show up at the factories on time...

I think...in a couple of Hundred years people will look back at the Industrial Era and call it "The single most oppressive period in human history"

And now with the Industrial era over and infra structure in place through most of the world...

It's time for it to end

This can be a greta moment of freedom and the system of economics has us waaaaaaaaaaaaay to valuing of material things...

In actuality in a day of robots Material possessions are virtually worthless, that's why we have to send all the work to China and India it's not even cost effective anymore...

somewhere in here an entirely new system is needed....

And drawing on Marxism or Socialism isn't the answer it doesn't address our inner need to triumph



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