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"Liberals" the New Hate Group

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posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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reply to post by robby228
 


My response would be...

Materialism happened to it...

Money become King...

I think my definition of Liberal and Conservative and that in many ways I refer to lifestyle is something I should have said from the beginning before i went on a tirade.

To me...

Conservative also means, conservative financially, less extravagance more down to Earth

A position from which money can be saved and doing for others comes easy, in which personal old time behavior like a business loan from a relative instead of a bank is still possible or buying your neighbor flu medication is something you would do without asking...

Because you can and it's no affect on your life

Much like the old days before.. Banks and Credit companies made it obnoxious to turn to your community when in need.

And Materialism made money unavailable to help yourself otr others...

Lets face it, your going to be in need if you sopend to your last penny of each pay check on things, if every one around you does the same... they can not help and if they can't they will get offended because they'd like to and feel bad so they act like your doing wrong by asking...

which leaves us to turn to Govt and banks

Of course, they have no emotion, no care they will track that debt till you die...

So in a materialistic life...

I'd say, it is impossible to be self sufficient, you have to when in trouble turn to them, i'd also say, that suits them just fine, you are now indentured they own you, they like it... encourage the trend.




posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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There is an incredibly evil Cycle (and no I will not say conspiracy) between corporate methods, govt lobbying by them and Law

You use Drunk driving as an example...

Going out for a drink, common, social interaction is necessary, it's an economic stimulus when people go out at night for sure...

and dui is a perfect example of corporate greed at work and govt complacency and people wearing the bag of poo

The Reality is... Cars use too much gas and aren't safe and in a materialistic society we need to go from point A to point B as fast as possible...

Has there ever been a true mandate on car safety or lowering of top speed to a degree where accidents would be a MOOT point demanded of the manufacturers?

NO

If that is perhaps not plausible... do most cities offer Public transportation free after certain hrs...

NO

It's all about finance really... they Tax us for the police to patrol for Dui, they fine us and collect money and matching Federal funds for arrests, they do Nothing on the Auto or transportation end which would cost mega corps or the Govt money to make it afe for us to go out...

Now going out drinking, thats money into the private sector Bar and restaurant and Club owners...

The way it is like this, it's money for the Govt from the people for simply wanting to get out of the house...

I would add, not being able to go out as easy... that leads to drug use or booze use in the home which increases police, crime not just from the drug trade but from Domestic violence and other factors... Lawyers must be paid, prisons, guards...

Of course given the lobbying situation... the city will never be forced to run good public transpo at night aside from a few places like NY and Cars will never be truely required to be made fool proof...

So should anyone ever die in an accident in a day of nano tech metals and modern technology...

No

But they will and it will be OUR personal responsibility but because of their greed.

Have you ever wondered exactly WHY across most of America on Friday and Saturday night the Bars are forced to close? Would it be so bad to allow you to stay and sober up?

Here in my state it is 2:00 Am

and the answer is very plain... they want you back out on the road because they profit from it.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Angus123
 


Your practically illiterate incapable of forming any actual thought or insight or holding the attention span to read through all I wrote or how I responded to these comments prior.

And this gets me...

Those who have had any form of attack...

One liners all

Yet you would not listen or even understand that once upon a time, you could have read these 7 small pages in full and followed them even if admittedly I bounce around a bit absorbed and had some meaningful input.

And you would not believe that Liberals have been brainwashed into following a completely non liberal agenda...

But yet... with such serious ADD rampant, perhaps you should try, to understand what is being said about Flouride and Phylates and lowered Testosterone levels and Concentration and how much easier it is for the media to influence your thinking...

Because those that deny

Are always the One Liners...

So tell me... those that don't "get" what I am saying can't "See" the bigger themes...

Can you concentrate anymore?

How would you even know If i'm right or wrong if you can't truely focus like when you were younger anymore are kept constantly busy and when not being fed messages through the airwaves?

The appeal to me of a more Conservative life...

Free of most chemicals, away from massive Em fields, Eating cooked foods not packaged, drinking water less exposed and not fluoridated.

Although, I could have actually put this together better

I CAN STILL THINK



Uh... yeah professor... you're quoting someone else's post.
It was entertaining nevertheless.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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I have been following your thread and this post was a beauty. I don't do you justice singling out one point but this one in particular hit close to home living close to NYC and a witness to the high income unemployed. How many highly educated people are s.o.l. in the current economic crisis? Where did our pigeon holing educational system get them? Did they innovate to earn their former positions and income? No, they were led like cookie cutter cows into the slaughter house. Star Ship Troopers all. People don't follow their muse into math and sciences, they follow the money. That doesn't seem liberating.


There is a single solitary truth of an economic crisis in a Nation that has the capacity to run all the Water in the world, has an amazing infra structure and supplies 1/3 of the worlds food... and is capable of being completely self sufficient

That is... the crisis is completely self generated by a quest for greed and power

1.5 Trillion maybe military spending, ongoing warfare, constant free giving away of aid and food, bailouts of corporations instead of people, high taxes massive funding of police for a war against the citizens...

And people are getting mad because they associate the term Liberal with themselves...

And they vote for this govt and support it

But I maintain again...

How is National Education Liberal?

Liberal has always been associated with non materialism but most of these people in our cities are yuppies not hippies by any means and it's them who suffers the most in an economic down turn... paying the high rents and high prices for daily living

The war hasn't stopped military spending has not been cut, troops are surging

privacy has not been restored.

Frankly... if you ask me if allot of people went back in time to the 60's a told their younger selves they were "liberals" their younger selves would flat smack their faces...



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:43 PM
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Yeah, and still a one liner...

I suppose your commentary is representative of the "liberal Intellectual" these days

Like I said... not Liberal, not Intellectual



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Angus123
 


Yeah, and still a one liner...

I suppose your commentary is representative of the "liberal Intellectual" these days

Like I said... not Liberal, not Intellectual



Are you serious...? Why would anyone give any thought to these rants of yours?
Clearly you feel slighted and angry and the mean old liberals are the target of your rage.

You wouldn't know if something was intellectual if it brought you a beer, washed your socks and then left you after being beaten for the 100th time.

Or WOULD you?



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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How bored are you...

you haven't read the thread,

I actually have many u2u's complimenting me...

If you can't bring anything to the discussion beyond insults can't you go trim your goatee or something?




Definition Troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts annoying, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.



Please, don't waste my time if you have nothing to say the fact that your insulting me and offer absolutely nothing while in defense of something only further proves my point that those defending Liberalism have largely become uneducated yahoos following along blindly with whatever is put in the name of a label.

Please...

Go actually post a thread if you don't like mine and are capable of actually putting a single page together. It will give you something to do with your hands aside from masturbating.



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
How bored are you...

you haven't read the thread,

I actually have many u2u's complimenting me...

If you can't bring anything to the discussion beyond insults can't you go trim your goatee or something?




Definition Troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts annoying, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.



Please, don't waste my time if you have nothing to say the fact that your insulting me and offer absolutely nothing while in defense of something only further proves my point that those defending Liberalism have largely become uneducated yahoos following along blindly with whatever is put in the name of a label.

Please...

Go actually post a thread if you don't like mine and are capable of actually putting a single page together. It will give you something to do with your hands aside from masturbating.






And...? For someone with such a high intellect, and the moral high ground you're easily provoked.

And I have read the entire thread. Which is why I can't take you seriously


[edit on 29-11-2009 by Angus123]



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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mopusvindictus:

Plenty of people spewing vitriol at you here. Who can blame them? Wasted lives, empty shells, living in a box, desperately seeking meaningless distractions to pass the time .. while all us evil conservative rednecks live like animals out in the woods. Doing what we want .. when we want .. how we want!

As far as politics go, it all boils down to freedom. Freedom doesn't allow any wiggle room - if you take property by force from others (involuntary taxation, etc.), then you oppose freedom. Simple as that. Truth is, most people just want their freedoms protected - everyone else (rich, white, whatever) be damned ..

Thanks for writing that. It echoes many of my thoughts on the subject ..



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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The break down is surprising...

It seems about 45-55% Support vs Animosity

Looks allot like the election actually lol

And that is interesting because I really would think particularly in here people would realize what i'm getting at, that Obama and what our current policy and legislation is is simply no more Liberal Under Obama than we were Conservative under Bush

But maybe 10% seem to get that, it's hard to understand after watching one side get duped for 8 years under a Globalist Agenda how Liberals are equally and the same Sheep following blindly along while a complete overthrow of Freedom is put in place.

You'd just think after the last 8 years, a year into this more would get it... particularly here on Ats



posted on Nov, 29 2009 @ 09:12 PM
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Like the capacity to concentrate formulate and think having been dumbed down chemically...

Perhaps you should also consider when you say things about Anger, The effects of Testosterone and why others simply don't get angry when they have every good and just reason to. Much of the world has wondered and out loud why the American people have not stood up yet. Have you ever looked at medical surveys of the Testosterone levels in American Men these days? Quite dismal...



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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You brought up a good point in your original post about Obama's personal family life. Very, very conservative (probably had a lot to do with his upbringing by his mother). Why doesn't he expect everyone to succeed like he did? Does he really think free government cheese will make people self-reliant and productive?

Yes, we all start with various advantages and disadvantages - but the most surefire, absolute way to impose inefficiency in the system is to reallocate resources from those who made it to those who didn't. We ALL suffer when the government makes the free market less efficient.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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It's funny to me how little actual analysis of the person we do... in my time here at Ats I have heard people thrash each other over meaningless scandals very "technical arguments" about policy and law and statements made by politicians...

But you very rarely see people actually look at the real them...

Take Bush, everyone had heard the stories of Cocaine Dui's there are You Tube Videos of him drunk off his rear end...

Yet he got the Conservative vote by just talking about a few issues and no one cared to see there was nothing that Conservative about the man.

Ditto for Obama

Look at how he raises his kids

Allowance from Dad for doing chores: $1 per week

Lights out at 8:30

No birthday or Christmas presents from Mom and Dad



LOL that's not only not a very Liberal environment it's damn cheap as heck too

I have NO Critique, (aside from xmas) just a statement, The mans your leader he is going to Lead by what he believes...

A: he's obviously Very socialist he doesn't believe His own kids should get more in fact even LESS than ordinary kids, so that is how he will treat Americans, we can do without... no one deserves more than anyone else and then, they can do with less as well

Wage for chores 1.00, well reflect that on the importance of wage to Americans...

Lights out 8:30, ... he expects Americans to keep busy

and


I think you can absolutely draw parallels between how a man would raise his kids and how a man will raise a Nation



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
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Really ask yourself WHY you pick on her or anyone else does...

And stop calling names...

They are all kind of thieves... She doesn't have a trail of bodies like Clinton, she doesn't have a family involved in Coke the Cia Like Bush or family ties going back to supporting the Nazis

I have no idea if there is any truth to that story

But one thing is obvious she is a TARGET not for those reasons but because of her Religious and personal beliefs...

and LOL I don't agree with her REASONS for a conservative lifestyle...

But I SUPPORT her right and others to believe it...


if you attack a group and their views with COMPLETE BS, it is to be expected that a backlash of some sort will happen. Failure to recognize this will result in a negative experience in the real world.



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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I actually starred that Piddles!!!!!!

Because yes...

A: I did start a bit aggravated for personal reasons which I apologized for btw... and explained

B: I did want to grab some Liberal anger...

It was a Goal...

To make a point...

That Liberal under Obama are acting the same way as Conservatives did under Bush, actually Intolerant to others, nothing very Liberal is going on in this administration and both guys actually play for the same team and several others without being redundant...

And I expect genuine debate and got some and got some agreement, it's the one liner insults though that prove my point...

Liberals are being just as closed minded and not really looking at what is really happening as Conservatives were actually reelecting Bush...

That they are being led to turn on other Americans to choose sidedes and ignoring the truth about what is happening.

Now...

Any point I make is debatable...

And God knows I spewed allot of theories...

What I got back from some, was nothing, nothing, no REASON i'm wrong, no defense against those points

Just you said bad things about Liberals your nuts that's not true...

But little willingness to look in the mirror...

I was once a very big Bush support and I can regret that, realize he didn't actually represent me in any way, was completely corrupt in many ways, didn't serve my Interests in some ways...

I can say definitively Conservatism and the Republican party as a whole has been Hijacked

Why can so few Liberals admit the same... I think it's obvious

And if I'm wrong try and show me where?

Isn't that what a liberal Intellectual would do? teach? Explain, Demonstrate?

I don't mind anger...

But at least use it and throw something out other than name calling that diminishes my points

Othger than that

I wanted a reaction

To a simple concept, Are You or are you not becoming what you once opposed in the process... show me the humanity, show me what's different than before, if it's there, defend your choices, show where your values are actually being represented in genuinely Liberal manner

ONly thing I'm annoyed at...(and not really honestly) is the name calling...

I can enjoy going down to a rank out level, I just don't really want to do that as ATS frowns on it...

So i'm not actually mad... I just deliver a really good mean burn when it's done to me...

But it would have been nice if someone on the angry side would have gone point for point rather then just throw a single line insult out.

"Your stupid" "or you need help" well, that just proves to me that the Liberal end of our country is completely off track from where it once was... just validates what i'm thinking...



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 04:31 AM
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I'd also add...

For sake of understanding

I very recently about 3 weeks back went a step beyond my cleansing program that I have been using all year, I have a few threads on it, detoxification...

And started looking at ENHANCEMENT again, and I took a real good look at issues of Masculinity in America, Chemical and because i really need to get my business back open before I get in trouble... Clarity, mental functionm Concentration.

So i'm now on... 3 weeks, about 10 mugs of double bagged Black Tea every day, added Ginko to my regimen started detoxing again as well as a few other simpler things B vitamins, Zinc, E etc...

Now, Black tea will Boost regular testosterone by around 33% and reduce Dihydrotestosterone (the bad kind by about 70%)

And all I can say is this...

It's like having your eyes opened up, it is extremely obvious to me that our aggression level has been seriously deumbed down as well as our focus...

I notice things like how incredibly poor others ability around me and in the forum to is to concentrate, devlop full thoughts, notice what is going on...

On every level from playing a video game like Mario Kart I simply can focus and devastate others now, just sharper and faster and more aggressive on every level...

And it's GOOD, it feels good...

And I see a startling passive nature to most guys, it's.... really quiffy to watch from this perspective.... what we are putting up with, what is being done, the lies...

I feel like ...

There's allot to the theories of People being dumbed down mentally and physically... Intent or conspiracy or just a side effect of the modern world? Can't say for sure...

But that it is real and big part of the "apathy" is real I think...

So if others are... in a lessened state a place where they aren't pumping out the right hormone levels...

How do you make them aware without a bit of a slap to the face... if your used to feeling a certain way and have grown used to it, how do you snap somebody out of it?

All i've done, is ... get out of dodge get some fresh air and water, remove the phylates and fluoride and the rest and heavy metals, and amp up myself to my appropriate hormone levels... and hey, it's not roids lol, i'm not in a rage lol, it's black tea okay... before anyone starts, when sperm counts are at 33% normal...and testosterone levels often 25% normal around the country... all i've done is restore my natural biology

And gee wiz...

I'm pretty mad at these guys right now lol... I'm really very libertarian and insulted and offended by them atm...

So IS this all a coincidence or not real?

No... they are dumbing us down but good to get away with it...

And all i'm doing is biffing some friends in the head and saying..."HEY wake up.... there's nothing liberal going on... your being suckered into servitude"



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 04:36 AM
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grabbing liberal anger?

wait, you mean trolling, conservative style?

you're not going to make your point being disrespectful. You make yourself seem like you only understand one side of the issue, because honestly, the most hateful and totally wrong things I've ever heard were by conservative sensationalist talk show hosts. The idea that Liberals, who are ridiculed for wanting to help people rather than let everyone fend for themselves, are a hate group (comparing Liberals to Nazis, KKK, etc [btw those are MUCH better examples of what a hate group is]) is down right ridiculous.


Fox News (more like Spin City) had the nerve to call the President of the United States a Nazi. Rush Freaking Limbaugh regularly calls for a military coup on Obama.

you don't think that is hateful?



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Seriously, I'm from Canada and I have been around the world and ONLY in the USA is this Left vs Right thing such an issue, why don't you guys focus on actual issues instead of different (but in reality, not TOO different) ideals and get over it?



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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that's funny ...you mean like the Indians?



posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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You know what PID

I'd agree with that, probably in MEDIA some of the most hateful things ever spewed come from the mouths of Conservatives.

But does Rush really represent middle America, No, not really... But Not anymore than Bush did or any body else i'd say on some levels he's very sensationalist

I don't think we can use the likes of Rush or Cheney to rationalize becoming the same people back to your typical Rural Conservative American, it's like hating America because you sit in Europe and watch Jerry Springer...

Most of these people are among the nicest people walking

And I see whats going on as out right hate directed at them and a complete removal of their way of life...

I just want to point it out... people in Urbania refer to anyone not from a major status city basically as Willie Bubba, and particularly in an age of Internet and Cable Tv that's simply not true anymore for most places...

And it makes no sense to me that a Year later when not one single power grab by the bush administration has been overturned and more and more laws are being added, the War continued and defense spending unchanged under a supposedly "liberal" administration

Yet people are falling blindly at their feet under a banner like they won some victory and taking it all out at least verbally on conservative America...

The Canadian guy above got it right...
LIberals should be looking at Washington to restrict what is happening to all of us not to people living in the country...



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