Fuming Mad Christian

I have asked a simple question to the non believers.You might want to reread my post.


"What is your big problem anyway?"

Ok. I will answer your question. And have done so previously, as this is a popular topic.

For your answer I direct you to this post. When you read that, you will immediately feel compelled to ask certain questions in response. Those questions will be answered by this post and this post

reply to post by aorAki

Come on Bro,
Who do you think were the first to arrive on Plymouth Rock, The Jetsons?
I have also suppled proof of one of the signers of the Constitution as being a Christian. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by oliveoil
FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! ... //ahem//

//cough gough// BS! //cough cough//

HO! HO! HO! Merry Christmas!

Our national motto is IN GOD WE TRUST for crying out loud,Which in my opinion is undeniable PROOF that the United States government acknowledges that the God of the Christian Bible exists.

..right right right...so you're meant to think....


...I personally have nothing against you as a person for choosing to believe in a specific version of reality.

I do however have a problem with the world's population being divided in it's common perception of reality.

And that needs to be alleviated some day, in order for us to rech a general concrete concensus of what we are, what is the absolute understanding of god and what it/she/he is in relation to us.

I am saddened by the lack of understanding the majority of those that call themselves Christians have in the Essene, the Gnostic understandings of the original PHYSIOLOGICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL concepts brought forth by the people that the philosophical composite character 'Christ' represented.

I also find many Christian's charity work extremely admirable and inspire me to do the same.

The base issue is that we ALL need to eventually agree on what God is by directly experiencing it... by whatever means necessary....

...In order to end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.
(wait did I just type that out loud?)


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Originally posted by oliveoil


FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values.

Which is controlled by the Illuminati.
They want you to believe so they will have control.

reply to post by whaaa

Christians are their own worst enemy with their spiritual arrogance and holier than thou attitudes.

And then whining like crybabies complaining about being picked on when thier "witnessing" is rejected.

I don't experience that from the secular world or pagans or Jews etc.

You are right. Its a difficult task making non believers deny ignorance.
Speaking of Jews they have been arguing about God thousands of years before us Christians. If you have a better topic than God to argue about show me.

" Illuminati!"There's no such thing!!! This is only a paranoids dream!

Obviously you overlooked these:

Aronow v. United States
Madalyn Murray O'Hair, et al. v. W. Michael Blumenthal, Secretary of Treasury, et al."
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc v.Tenth-Circuit, federal

If the U.S. government itself says it isn't aligned with any religion, why would you say something contradictory to their statement, ON THEIR BEHALF.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by aorAki

 

Come on Bro,
Who do you think were the first to arrive on Plymouth Rock, The Jetsons?
I have also suppled proof of one of the signers of the Constitution as being a Christian. Prove me wrong.

Just after they murdered the native americans

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reply to post by prevenge

I do however have a problem with the world's population being divided in it's common perception of reality.

And that needs to be alleviated some day, in order for us to rech a general concrete concensus of what we are, what is the absolute understanding of god and what it/she/he is in relation to us.

We are spiritual beings and the cold hard reality is that Without God everything is meaningless. Put that in your intelligent blender.

Originally posted by oliveoil
Second, What is your big problem anyway? Is it that we have faith and believe in Christ?
Is it that we Cloth the poor? Feed the Hungry? Comfort the sick?Help the homeless?
(Whens the last time you did that?)

What if I told you your religion was a plot made to control the masses and make people fear the unknown and live in a mind-prison?
What if I told you aliens made humanity and made religion to keep humans ignorant and slave race?

FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values.

Native Americans will sure disagree with you on that one.

Our national motto is IN GOD WE TRUST for crying out loud,Which in my opinion is undeniable PROOF that the United States government acknowledges that the God of the Christian Bible exists.

Or it could be a plot by the secret Elite to control and make people think United States is a "Christian" country.

If you have a problem with Christians you have a problem with America.

Who in the world are you to make such a statement?

Originally posted by SeeingBlue

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by aorAki

 

Come on Bro,
Who do you think were the first to arrive on Plymouth Rock, The Jetsons?
I have also suppled proof of one of the signers of the Constitution as being a Christian. Prove me wrong.

Just after they murdered the native americans

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Tell that to a Mormon,which in fact are Christians

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reply to post by oliveoil


Negative? Why was it negative? Because I don't agree with you? Because I believe that people who force themselves into the limelight and attempt to control others and who judge others deserve exactly what they get and get exactly what they deserve? Unwanted attention and disagreement? People believing you are judgmental?

And yes, in my face...pretty much in everyone's faces, some of you...as in the bumper stickers, the billboards, the large, expensive churches when people are going hungry, the crosses everywhere as if they were beacons to make sure that when Jesus returns he will find you, the t-shirts, and the and so on. Wonder what Jesus would have thought of all this? If your faith is strong and real, I believe you don't need symbols and slogans and trinkets or grand churches or even churches at all. And I believe that it wouldn't bother you what anyone said or thought. Your belief...believe it and live with it. Coexist with other faiths and beliefs and stop trying to be and thinking you're the best and the rightest. That just seems wrong.

And no, I'm not a history buff, but I'm certainly more knowledgeable than you on the subject of this being a "Christian nation," as more than a few have already explained and pointed out to you here. And I know that people of all beliefs live in and are welcome in their country.


Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962), American Stateswoman:

Those of us who believe in the right of any human being to belong to whatever church he sees fit, and to worship God in his own way, cannot be accused of prejudice when we do not want to see public education connected with religious control of the schools, which are paid for by taxpayers' money.

Spiritual leadership should remain spiritual leadership and the temporal power should not become too important in any church.



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I don't understand where Native Americans came into the picture. The natives were killed on account of greed. If ANYTHING, America is founded on just that - greed.

The Native Americans had what we would call "socialist" system. The community that lived on the land, shared the land. There was no privatization. European settlers saw an opportunity and leaped on it.

Greed...That's the whole reason the Native Americans even formed into the Iroquois Confederacy, or "Six Nations". They were seeking dominance of the Ohio River Valley in order to maintain dominance of the dutch fur trade.

In the context of the Pledge, the statement that the United States is a nation "under God" is an endorsement of religion. It is a profession of a religious belief, namely, a belief in monotheism. The recitation that ours is a nation "under God" is not a mere acknowledgment that many Americans believe in a deity. Nor is it merely descriptive of the undeniable historical significance of religion in the founding of the Republic. Rather, the phrase "one nation under God" in the context of the Pledge is normative. To recite the Pledge is not to describe the United States; instead, it is to swear allegiance to the values for which the flag stands: unity, indivisibility, liberty, justice, and — since 1954 — monotheism. The text of the official Pledge, codified in federal law, impermissibly takes a position with respect to the purely religious question of the existence and identity of God. A profession that we are a nation "under God" is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation "under Jesus," a nation "under Vishnu," a nation"under Zeus," or a nation "under no god," because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion.

The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

In the end, many supporters of the Constitution, including one of the most prominent, James Madison, agreed to support a bill of rights in the Constitution, if it could be ratified. Several of the states included suggested amendments, including rights of the people, in their ratification documents. The push was on for a bill of rights in the Constitution. Madison was true to his word — on June 8, 1789, Representative James Madison rose and gave a speech in the House where he introduced a series of articles of amendment. One concerned religious freedom:

The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.

Madison's proposal follows the proposals of some of the states. New Hampshire's read:

Congress shall make no laws touching religion, or to infringe the rights of conscience.

Virginia was much more verbose:

That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, and that no particular sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.

New Yorkers had the same to say, but more succinctly:

That the people have an equal, natural, and unalienable right freely and peaceably to exercise their religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that no religious sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.

Source

Some of the Framers of the Constitution were Christain, some were Deists. They all appear to agreed (in debate, and later in legislation) about the importance of the separation of the Church and State, thus, NO, the United States is NOT a Christian country. It is a country with Christians as well as other faiths.

www.religioustolerance.org...

en.wikipedia.org... hurch_and_state_in_the_United_States#Protestant_colonies

The 'Plymouth Rockians' set up a Colony. They didn't found the United States of America.

Take the Lemon Test


You really aren't a History buff, more of a History Buffer, putting a shine on it to make it look pretty to you. This took me all of half and hour, Bro

Edit: United instead of Untied

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[edit on 27-11-2009 by aorAki] 'Bro'

...and spacing.

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reply to post by oliveoil

I am addressing everyone and anyone who has problem against Christians.

You'll probably find in most cases the problem is not with christians but what they do.

First off when you say Christians, Who the H. E. double hockey sticks are you referring to? There are over twenty two denominations and or sects and they are not all the same.

That will depend on what flavour you are and which jesus you worship etc

Second, What is your big problem anyway? Is it that we have faith and believe in Christ?

You can believe what ever the hell you want and most of us wiil defend your right to do so

Is it that we Cloth the poor? Feed the Hungry? Comfort the sick?Help the homeless?

Which of you are you referring to here, "There are over twenty two denominations and or sects and they are not all the same". Are you speaking for all of you, how do you know that all of you do this ?

(Whens the last time you did that?)

Are you trying to imply that only xtians do it if so what evidence do you have ?

Or maybe its because of our close ties to Judaism and Israel

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Would that be family ties , genetic ties, theological ties or bag ties ?

FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values

.

Please provide proof of this claim

Our national motto is IN GOD We TRUST for crying out loud,

This motto is owned by the Federal Reserve, a privately owned bank that the US is in debt to. The motto appears on their currency that they lend you to pay off the debt you owe them along with ""He approves (or has approved) [our] undertaking(s)".
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The currency also carries another motto which is -
"a new order of the ages." and incidentally states that the note itself is not legal tender.

The use of Egyptian/masonic symbolism could well indicate that the god in "In God we trust" being referred to on this company's note. Is perhaps an Egyptian god, perhaps RA or Horus but very unlikely to be the jesusyahweh god.

If you have a problem with christians you have a problem with America And God knows America does not need anymore problems. So please, just CHILL OUT !!

Perhaps it's just a case of having a problem with what xtians do and they just happen to be American but not all Americans are xtian and not all Americans do what xtians do.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Odessy

 

Noah is Gilgamesh. Jesus is Horus from Egypt, and Dionyses from Rome...

You should do some searches on YouTube and other places about these issues. There are plenty of refutations about these ideas, especially those concerning Jesus.

Thanks, but I don't need people telling me what to believe. All you have to do is read your history and you can put it together yourself.

oh wait a min... wern't the jews enslaved by both egypt and the Roman Empire a little before and around the time of Jesus??? hmmmm.... I wonder how that could have happened...

No. Israel was enslaved quite a many years before. Rome never enslaved the Jews. They just occupied the Jewish lands.

Sure, point is, both have points of extreme influence on the people, enough to shape a religion.
If you go back further to where the Egyptians took there religion (I believe Sumarian?) and where the Romans got theirs, there too would be points of contacts and shared stories from other cultures.

in fact, they dont even try and pass it off, they force it down peoples throat with missionaries (which were just slaughter houses in the past). What happened to acting so peaceful that people actually seek out what spiritual knowledge you have, rather than being forced it?

Ninety-nine percent of the missionaries don't do bad things or force people into Christianity. They humbly do their work and show Christ's love to a people, who often willingly choose to come to Christianity. Why let the one percent of missionaries (who often have ulterior motives) ruin the whole pot?

The "new christianity" perhaps, but how is the past 60 years the whole pot when the murderous christian missionaries were carrying out god's judgement for hundreds of years before?

To take it a step further, if you don't agree with them, your going to hell,

No, it's not as simple as that. If you don't accept Christ, you choose to go to hell. It has nothing to do with you agreeing with the Christian or not.

ummm sorry, I tend to look at things as a whole, so when I said agree with "them" I was speaking for the religion, not a particular individual.............

and if you don't agree with that, well, you don't believe in the christian bible cause its written right there...

Well, yes. If you don't agree with that then you don't agree with the Christian Bible because it is written in there.

... yes...

along with killing homosexuals and other sinners...

Christians don't teach that. It was part of the Law. Christ set us free from the Law.

Leviticus 20
20:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

but the rest of the bible pretty much contradicts everything good he says.

Not really. The rest of the Bible had a purpose. And that purpose is clear when you take the Bible as a whole.

It may be clear, but its clearly not what I believe, in my reality.

But, low and behold, some christians have spiritual revelations... well... people from all religions have spiritual revelations, so what could that mean? Surely if only one religion was right, God would favor that religion more than the others, right?

One has to be careful with spiritual revelations. One never knows if it is truly from God or not. That is why most of Christendom doesn't practice such things.

I had no idea having a revelation could be practiced...
I believe everyone can have these because everyone is a spiritual being.



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reply to post by Agree2Disagree

I don't understand where Native Americans came into the picture. The natives were killed on account of greed. If ANYTHING, America is founded on just that - greed.

Or perhaps it's simply natural selection

Originally posted by moocowman

Or perhaps it's simply natural selection

I can't believe you just said that......

reply to post by Odessy

Thanks, but I don't need people telling me what to believe. All you have to do is read your history and you can put it together yourself.

Pretty cheeky considering that if you read your history there is absolutely no evidence of 2 million Hebrews living in Egypt or being exiled into the dessert for 40 years, let alone the imaginary moses.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree

Originally posted by moocowman

Or perhaps it's simply natural selection

I can't believe you just said that......

why?