I have asked a simple question to the non believers.You might want to reread my post.
"What is your big problem anyway?"
Christians are their own worst enemy with their spiritual arrogance and holier than thou attitudes.
And then whining like crybabies complaining about being picked on when thier "witnessing" is rejected.
I don't experience that from the secular world or pagans or Jews etc.
Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by aorAki
Come on Bro,
Who do you think were the first to arrive on Plymouth Rock, The Jetsons?
I have also suppled proof of one of the signers of the Constitution as being a Christian. Prove me wrong.
I do however have a problem with the world's population being divided in it's common perception of reality.
And that needs to be alleviated some day, in order for us to rech a general concrete concensus of what we are, what is the absolute understanding of god and what it/she/he is in relation to us.
Originally posted by SeeingBlue
Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by aorAki
Come on Bro,
Who do you think were the first to arrive on Plymouth Rock, The Jetsons?
I have also suppled proof of one of the signers of the Constitution as being a Christian. Prove me wrong.
Just after they murdered the native americans
[edit on 27-11-2009 by SeeingBlue]
In the context of the Pledge, the statement that the United States is a nation "under God" is an endorsement of religion. It is a profession of a religious belief, namely, a belief in monotheism. The recitation that ours is a nation "under God" is not a mere acknowledgment that many Americans believe in a deity. Nor is it merely descriptive of the undeniable historical significance of religion in the founding of the Republic. Rather, the phrase "one nation under God" in the context of the Pledge is normative. To recite the Pledge is not to describe the United States; instead, it is to swear allegiance to the values for which the flag stands: unity, indivisibility, liberty, justice, and — since 1954 — monotheism. The text of the official Pledge, codified in federal law, impermissibly takes a position with respect to the purely religious question of the existence and identity of God. A profession that we are a nation "under God" is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation "under Jesus," a nation "under Vishnu," a nation"under Zeus," or a nation "under no god," because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion.
The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
In the end, many supporters of the Constitution, including one of the most prominent, James Madison, agreed to support a bill of rights in the Constitution, if it could be ratified. Several of the states included suggested amendments, including rights of the people, in their ratification documents. The push was on for a bill of rights in the Constitution. Madison was true to his word — on June 8, 1789, Representative James Madison rose and gave a speech in the House where he introduced a series of articles of amendment. One concerned religious freedom:
The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.
Madison's proposal follows the proposals of some of the states. New Hampshire's read:
Congress shall make no laws touching religion, or to infringe the rights of conscience.
Virginia was much more verbose:
That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, and that no particular sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.
New Yorkers had the same to say, but more succinctly:
That the people have an equal, natural, and unalienable right freely and peaceably to exercise their religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that no religious sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.
I am addressing everyone and anyone who has problem against Christians.
First off when you say Christians, Who the H. E. double hockey sticks are you referring to? There are over twenty two denominations and or sects and they are not all the same.
Second, What is your big problem anyway? Is it that we have faith and believe in Christ?
Is it that we Cloth the poor? Feed the Hungry? Comfort the sick?Help the homeless?
(Whens the last time you did that?)
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Or maybe its because of our close ties to Judaism and Israel
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FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values
Our national motto is IN GOD We TRUST for crying out loud,
If you have a problem with christians you have a problem with America And God knows America does not need anymore problems. So please, just CHILL OUT !!
Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Odessy
Noah is Gilgamesh. Jesus is Horus from Egypt, and Dionyses from Rome...
You should do some searches on YouTube and other places about these issues. There are plenty of refutations about these ideas, especially those concerning Jesus.
oh wait a min... wern't the jews enslaved by both egypt and the Roman Empire a little before and around the time of Jesus??? hmmmm.... I wonder how that could have happened...
No. Israel was enslaved quite a many years before. Rome never enslaved the Jews. They just occupied the Jewish lands.
in fact, they dont even try and pass it off, they force it down peoples throat with missionaries (which were just slaughter houses in the past). What happened to acting so peaceful that people actually seek out what spiritual knowledge you have, rather than being forced it?
Ninety-nine percent of the missionaries don't do bad things or force people into Christianity. They humbly do their work and show Christ's love to a people, who often willingly choose to come to Christianity. Why let the one percent of missionaries (who often have ulterior motives) ruin the whole pot?
To take it a step further, if you don't agree with them, your going to hell,
No, it's not as simple as that. If you don't accept Christ, you choose to go to hell. It has nothing to do with you agreeing with the Christian or not.
and if you don't agree with that, well, you don't believe in the christian bible cause its written right there...
Well, yes. If you don't agree with that then you don't agree with the Christian Bible because it is written in there.
along with killing homosexuals and other sinners...
Christians don't teach that. It was part of the Law. Christ set us free from the Law.
but the rest of the bible pretty much contradicts everything good he says.
Not really. The rest of the Bible had a purpose. And that purpose is clear when you take the Bible as a whole.
But, low and behold, some christians have spiritual revelations... well... people from all religions have spiritual revelations, so what could that mean? Surely if only one religion was right, God would favor that religion more than the others, right?
One has to be careful with spiritual revelations. One never knows if it is truly from God or not. That is why most of Christendom doesn't practice such things.
I don't understand where Native Americans came into the picture. The natives were killed on account of greed. If ANYTHING, America is founded on just that - greed.
Thanks, but I don't need people telling me what to believe. All you have to do is read your history and you can put it together yourself.
