The definition of being a chrstian is being "christ-like." Christians should be the epitomy of humiity, harmless as doves and clever as serpents.
Christians should be quick to pray and slow to judge. Christians should not believe everyone who calls themselves a christian just to get their vote.
If christians loved their enemies and prayed for them, they wouldn't have so many enemies.
OP, I don't know you but my first reaction in reading your post was that you should not be so angry. Be careful not to be manipulated by rich
preachers. Be careful that you are personally grounded in Scripture and have a deep abiding relationship with your God. I hope you spend quality and
quanity time in prayer and fellowship with your God. I'm sorry, but it did not come across in your post.
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reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:10 PM by Koka
reply to post by oliveoil
I don't have a problem with Christians, I have a problem with anyone who believes in god, basically, people of faith, so that's all denominations and pretty much all faiths.
Although I am willing to tolerate, which is 'generally' something people of faith tend to find a little harder to do.
[edit on 27-11-2009 by Koka]
I don't have a problem with Christians, I have a problem with anyone who believes in god, basically, people of faith, so that's all denominations and pretty much all faiths.
Although I am willing to tolerate, which is 'generally' something people of faith tend to find a little harder to do.
[edit on 27-11-2009 by Koka]
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:23 PM by woodwardjnr
I was led to believe the US constitution was a secular document.
The U.S. Constitution
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:
Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [bold caps, mine]
nobeliefs.com...
[edit on 27-11-2009 by woodwardjnr]
The U.S. Constitution
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:
Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [bold caps, mine]
nobeliefs.com...
[edit on 27-11-2009 by woodwardjnr]
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:28 PM by gemineye
reply to post by oliveoil
I am a Christian, but I think I can speak for many people because... well, let me tell you a story.
For 14 years of my 33 years, I was married to a preacher. During this time, I was expected to support my husband and all of his decisions, even if I didn't agree with him. As a woman, I was to be quiet because my opinion didn't matter. Also, every other denomination besides ours was going to hell. One denomination just didn't take things serious enough, while another denomination was way too extreme. And the Catholics... they were just the devil incarnate!
Very shortly after getting married, I was told that if I wore shorts, I was going to hell. If I wore pants, I was going to hell. If I wore anything but dresses, I was going to hell. BUT, if my dresses were too short, or had slits that were too revealing, I was going to hell. If I wore makeup or cut my hair or listened to anything other than just the very basic gospel music, I was going to hell. Even contemporary Christian music was a no no because it was compromising with the "world" and was a sure road to hell. If I wore peace signs, I was going to hell. Granted, this was one of the more extremist denominations, but here's my point...
If you believe in the Bible, and since you are Christian, I'm sure you do. You no doubt know that the Bible tells us not to judge. It says to "judge not, lest ye be judged." Yet, what I have found is that most so called "Christians" are THE MOST judgmental people in existence. Now, before anyone starts yelling at me, I'm not saying that ALL Christians are like this and I'm not saying that YOU are like that, because I don't know you. TRUE Christians aren't like this. I have some Christian friends that are the most genuine, caring people I know and I think these people are the real deal and there are many others who are the same, but I think hypocrites outnumber the true Christians.
I don't think it's the true Christians that give Christianity a bad name. It's the "holier than though" people who claim to be Christians, yet spend their time picking other people apart that give Christians a bad name. Unfortunately, when most people think of "Christians," they think of this type of people.
As for America being a Christian nation... I think it once was, in the beginning, but I don't see it that way now.
After 14 years, I divorced my preacher husband and got out of that mess. I no longer attend church, and what I have found is that I have a closer relationship with God than I ever had before. While I was in church, it was preached and preached and preached that we are to have a personal relationship with Jesus. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a personal relationship with Jesus when you can't decide on what you believe because so many people are trying to cram their own belief system down your throat.
This is why I think Christianity is frowned upon.
Edited for clarity.
[edit on 11/27/2009 by gemineye]
I am a Christian, but I think I can speak for many people because... well, let me tell you a story.
For 14 years of my 33 years, I was married to a preacher. During this time, I was expected to support my husband and all of his decisions, even if I didn't agree with him. As a woman, I was to be quiet because my opinion didn't matter. Also, every other denomination besides ours was going to hell. One denomination just didn't take things serious enough, while another denomination was way too extreme. And the Catholics... they were just the devil incarnate!
Very shortly after getting married, I was told that if I wore shorts, I was going to hell. If I wore pants, I was going to hell. If I wore anything but dresses, I was going to hell. BUT, if my dresses were too short, or had slits that were too revealing, I was going to hell. If I wore makeup or cut my hair or listened to anything other than just the very basic gospel music, I was going to hell. Even contemporary Christian music was a no no because it was compromising with the "world" and was a sure road to hell. If I wore peace signs, I was going to hell. Granted, this was one of the more extremist denominations, but here's my point...
If you believe in the Bible, and since you are Christian, I'm sure you do. You no doubt know that the Bible tells us not to judge. It says to "judge not, lest ye be judged." Yet, what I have found is that most so called "Christians" are THE MOST judgmental people in existence. Now, before anyone starts yelling at me, I'm not saying that ALL Christians are like this and I'm not saying that YOU are like that, because I don't know you. TRUE Christians aren't like this. I have some Christian friends that are the most genuine, caring people I know and I think these people are the real deal and there are many others who are the same, but I think hypocrites outnumber the true Christians.
I don't think it's the true Christians that give Christianity a bad name. It's the "holier than though" people who claim to be Christians, yet spend their time picking other people apart that give Christians a bad name. Unfortunately, when most people think of "Christians," they think of this type of people.
As for America being a Christian nation... I think it once was, in the beginning, but I don't see it that way now.
After 14 years, I divorced my preacher husband and got out of that mess. I no longer attend church, and what I have found is that I have a closer relationship with God than I ever had before. While I was in church, it was preached and preached and preached that we are to have a personal relationship with Jesus. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a personal relationship with Jesus when you can't decide on what you believe because so many people are trying to cram their own belief system down your throat.
This is why I think Christianity is frowned upon.
Edited for clarity.
[edit on 11/27/2009 by gemineye]
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:47 PM by gemineye
reply to post by jitter
Seems that you have taken a walk in my shoes before!
I too have said many times that many people who call themselves Christians are just very very superstitious people. I honestly think they mean well, but they're just so scared of believing anything other than what has been crammed down their throats that they think the wrath of God is going to come down on them if they waver from that belief system, even the tiniest little bit. It's not too much different than being scared of walking under a ladder in fear that you'll be cursed with bad luck.
I think true Christians realize that we are HUMAN and as humans, we aren't perfect and we're not meant to be perfect and we do mess up occasionally. This isn't meant to be used as an excuse to mess up, but that's a whole other post, lol.
If most Christians would apply what they believe to themselves only and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing, Christianity wouldn't have the reputation it has today.
Seems that you have taken a walk in my shoes before!
I too have said many times that many people who call themselves Christians are just very very superstitious people. I honestly think they mean well, but they're just so scared of believing anything other than what has been crammed down their throats that they think the wrath of God is going to come down on them if they waver from that belief system, even the tiniest little bit. It's not too much different than being scared of walking under a ladder in fear that you'll be cursed with bad luck.
I think true Christians realize that we are HUMAN and as humans, we aren't perfect and we're not meant to be perfect and we do mess up occasionally. This isn't meant to be used as an excuse to mess up, but that's a whole other post, lol.
If most Christians would apply what they believe to themselves only and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing, Christianity wouldn't have the reputation it has today.
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:51 PM by zlots331
"In God We Trust" is actually an afterthought placed on coins after the horrors of the US civil war.
www.ustreas.gov...
The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.
www.ustreas.gov...
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 12:56 PM by PSUSA
reply to post by oliveoil
Tell that to the Indians. And the slaves.
There were Christians here, but they weren't in leadership positions, just like it is now. Nothing changes.
That sure doesn't help matters any.
"Judaism" doesn't think too much about Christ, in case you haven't noticed. They literally spit on Christians and think Christ is in hell being boiled in feces.
And "israel" is nothing but a festering boil on the worlds butt. Too bad that people are more blindly loyal to isarahell than to their own country. Look at all their spies we've caught, etc. People have died because of them.
But if you're loyal to israhell, I guess that excuses it.
Truth be told, that is BS.
It should be "In the military we trust", or "in money we trust". Hardly anyone trusts God.
And if we trusted in God, we wouldn't go around slaughtering people whenever we felt like having a war, just so some people could get rich.
FACT: America is a Christian country and was founded on Christian Values.
Tell that to the Indians. And the slaves.
There were Christians here, but they weren't in leadership positions, just like it is now. Nothing changes.
Or maybe its because of our close ties to Judaism and Israel.
That sure doesn't help matters any.
"Judaism" doesn't think too much about Christ, in case you haven't noticed. They literally spit on Christians and think Christ is in hell being boiled in feces.
And "israel" is nothing but a festering boil on the worlds butt. Too bad that people are more blindly loyal to isarahell than to their own country. Look at all their spies we've caught, etc. People have died because of them.
But if you're loyal to israhell, I guess that excuses it.
Our national motto is IN GOD WE TRUST for crying out loud,
Truth be told, that is BS.
It should be "In the military we trust", or "in money we trust". Hardly anyone trusts God.
And if we trusted in God, we wouldn't go around slaughtering people whenever we felt like having a war, just so some people could get rich.
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 01:01 PM by woodwytch
reply to post by hardamber
That was a truly beautiful post and if more people had your humility the world would be a much nicer place.
Lovely to meet you.
Woody
That was a truly beautiful post and if more people had your humility the world would be a much nicer place.
Lovely to meet you.
Woody
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 01:02 PM by Abbby
reply to post by oliveoil
I have a problem with any person who looks down on me and scolds me while telling me how great they are, yet their actions prove otherwise. More often than not, they just so happen to be Christians (and really drive the point home that they are.....go figure).
I have a problem with any person who looks down on me and scolds me while telling me how great they are, yet their actions prove otherwise. More often than not, they just so happen to be Christians (and really drive the point home that they are.....go figure).
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 01:23 PM by PSUSA
reply to post by gemineye
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I personally believe the wife should submit, but that word "submit" has a tendency to be equated with being lorded over, "my way or the highway and to heck with what you want now make me a sammich!" nonsense.
Someone has to lead, and someone has to follow, or nothing gets done. But leadership is a lost art. The more a leader is, the more of a servant he is. But I know the type; he wants to be served, not be a servant.
If your ex doesn't straighten up and fly right, he is in for a difficult life and he has no one to blame but himself.
I am a Christian, but I think I can speak for many people because... well, let me tell you a story. ...
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I personally believe the wife should submit, but that word "submit" has a tendency to be equated with being lorded over, "my way or the highway and to heck with what you want now make me a sammich!" nonsense.
Someone has to lead, and someone has to follow, or nothing gets done. But leadership is a lost art. The more a leader is, the more of a servant he is. But I know the type; he wants to be served, not be a servant.
If your ex doesn't straighten up and fly right, he is in for a difficult life and he has no one to blame but himself.
reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 01:27 PM by VitalOverdose
reply to post by oliveoil
I think its mainly Christians under the leadership of Helen Ukpabio who has 150 Church's. Shes the one who produced the film 'End of The Wicked' amongst others. You will have to watch the video yourself i found it to distressing to be watching it again.
[edit on 27-11-2009 by VitalOverdose]
I think its mainly Christians under the leadership of Helen Ukpabio who has 150 Church's. Shes the one who produced the film 'End of The Wicked' amongst others. You will have to watch the video yourself i found it to distressing to be watching it again.
[edit on 27-11-2009 by VitalOverdose]
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