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A Letter to Obama from a WWII veteran

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posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
Uh... okay? Maybe my problem is he's prattling off in a very strange and prejudical way and the people who are trying to use as this some sort of trump card thinks it means anything. My grandfather served on the front lines in Europe, and he's one of the most racist tricks I've ever heard. Do I appreciate what he did? Sure. Do I care what his racist or antiquated thoughts on the modern world are, no.


Simply because your Grampa is a racist doesn't mean this guy is. How come anytime someone says that the don't like Obama, everyone thinks they are a racist?


Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
But then again you're trying to turn this into a personal thing and you don't comprehend what's going on or what's being discussed in this thread.


Don't comprehend? Well, actually, I do, Craftsman. I see a lot of people here getting their blood pressure boiling because some old dude in Hawaii wrote a letter stating his opinion. Last time I checked, that's still allowed in Obama's America. Probably not for long, tho.




posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Snarf just pointed out to me, thru U2U, that Ben Franklin wasn't a President. My bad, I failed to see him at the top of the list.


Mea Culpa.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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Too bad dissent JUST became patriotic. During Bush's reign, you shoulda heard what we were called when we protested the powers that be. Now a 'community organizer,' as he is often ridiculed is somehow president, but he is the evil enemy. Are you kidding? A community organizer is only as powerful as the support behind him, being unconnected to the REAL power structure. No wonder the sheeple were lead where they were. Another opportunity wasted, the story of America in the last 50 years. Such a shameful shame.....what a break for the powers that be. Who wants a green economy, cheap conflict-reduced energy, and less pollution anyway, less needless war, some respect from other countries, an intelligent leader? Not these sheep. NOT THE POWERS THAT BE. Obama is getting the same treatment as Ron Paul.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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I come from a heavily military family.
much love for this man(if he exists)

why didn't he send it to the white house?
so he sent an e-mail to you so you could snail mail it to obama?Did he get a response?

so this is change we can believe in?hmmm.
I feel it is time to end the great experiment we call the republic and establish a new monarchy.
It'll be a dictatorship to be sure,I'll be the leader.
don't worry I'll be gentle.
act now and get an "I loved the Pooh-Bah before it was mandatory" t-shirt.
only $19.95
:-)
or at least vote libertarian.
how many republicrats do we have to go through before people start to catch on?

[edit on 27-11-2009 by the_grand_pooh-bah]



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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You don't think


Christian Nation



Major Muslim



I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.


Doesn't set off some alarms as the quality of character of the man writing this letter?

And forget all that for a second. Who even cares? All the letter is, is mindless bitching. Wow, like the rest of the country doesn't do that on a daily basis.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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That "Old, out of touch" man has more experience and knowledge in his pinky nail then you do in your whole existence, I'm willing to bet.

And he's right, Obama is messin' up real nice, and he has had enough.
He risked his life for this country, he doesn't want to see some inexperienced boy destroy it.
And I'm with him 100%



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by De La Valletta
Presently we're going through the phase of adding NATIONAL infront of that socialism to make it national socialism e.i NAZI-ism. Don't believe me then explain bailing out private banks and businesses with taxpayers money , NATIONALIZED.


Huh?

Socialism has NOTHING to do with bailing out banks and big business. What you are describing is unfettered capitalism. Big business feeding at the public trough.

Further, Nationalized enterprises have little to do with bailouts as well. Nationalized businesses are businesses owned and operated by the government. Just because the government gives a bank 800 million to keep it afloat, doesn't mean its nationalized the bank.
I think you need a quick re-education of work conditions of the common citizen in Italy and Germany during the fascist era.

Firstly, before world war one, Mussolini was a socialist, he ran the socialist news paper, was an aggressive political agitator, and a great speaker. But by the end of world war one, Mussolini, funded by many he fought against during his socialist days, flipped and became Mussolini the Fascist. Mostly due to his massive financial backing by financiers and land owners. He lead the party known as "i fasci di combattimento" which was comprised largely of ex-military officers and thugs. These black #s, basically roamed around, beating socialists and trade unionists and destroying farm co-operatives.


In Germany, workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the 8 hour work day, and un-employment insurance. Life style and quality increased, but German industrial profits were on the decline. To raise profit levels, German business tycoons wanted the government to slash wages, and wanted big subsidies and tax breaks for themselves.

By 1930, most German industrialists believed the Wiemar republic no longer served their interests and donated heavily to Hitler and his party. In 1932, The NAZI party (remember, funded by BIG BUSINESS) won 327.3 % of the vote, the most they'd ever won. (A key note, they never had any real power base among the people, and any following was among the more affluent of German society)

Hitler was never voted in, the NAZI party made a number of deals with smaller right-wing parties and unfortunately, true-to-form, the social democrats (who often would sooner side with an autocrat than someone resembling a communist. which is another topic entirely.) Finally, Hindenburg invited Hitler to become chancellor

When Hitler took state power, his politico-economic agenda resembled Mussolini's They crushed organized labour, got rid of elections, opposition parties, and independant publications. Hundreds of thousands of opponents were imprisioned, tortured, or murdered. Communists endured the most severe repression of all

The most telling of Nazisms anti-socialist agenda is in the black ink; who did the fascists support? In the 1920's and 30's, industrial evils thought banished resurfaced; union property and farm co-operatives were taken and handed to private owners, Unions and strikes were outlawed. Minimum wage laws, factory saftey laws, and over-time pay were eradicated. Child labour was reintroduced in Italy. Workers toiled longer hours for less. In Germany, already modest wages were slashed by 25-40 percent, in Italy by 50%.

What was the result of all this (and more)? In the 1930's Italy's economy was in a deep recession, staggering public debt, and wide-spread corruption ruled. But industrial profits shot up, and the armaments factories rolled weapons out. In Germany, overall unemployment declined due to the massive armaments projects, but overall poverty increased due to the equally massive wage cuts.

Socialism and Communism are not friendly with Fascism and Nazism. They are polar opposites! What we are seeing now is unregulated capitalism taking hold of our markets, running the banks, and the government.


As far as the United states being a Christian nation, I believe your first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." Seems to me yours is NOT a christian nation, despite Reagan's bickering.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by InSpiteOf]



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
You don't think


Christian Nation



Major Muslim



I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.


Doesn't set off some alarms as the quality of character of the man writing this letter?


Why? Maybe in his household and neighborhood, they are Christian. Is that a crime (yet)? And how does this reflect on the quality of the man's character?

And last time I checked, Hasan was a Major in the US Army and a Muslim. Or did that change, too?

And a "whole lot of white people" did vote for Obama. Big deal; that's their right.


Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
And forget all that for a second. Who even cares? All the letter is, is mindless bitching. Wow, like the rest of the country doesn't do that on a daily basis.


Mindless bitching is a protected right under the Constitution and is exercised on a daily basis here on ATS and other places in the US.


[edit on 27-11-2009 by jerico65]



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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Did he really say that he's "95 years old and Wrinkle Free"?? Unless he's discovered the fountain of youth he's delusional..



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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His household is not the United States.

Absolutely mindless bitching is protected, but I'm surprised it's being used so passionately as any kind of political light. I mean if that's what the foundation of your belief structure is, can't argue with that. There's still people in the world who think it's flat. However, I am glad that we finally both agree this is mindless bitching. If you want to continue to debate over the value of mindless bitching go ahead, but I made my point.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
His household is not the United States.


So you're all bunged up because he said, "Christian Nation". Duly noted, and it's being taken care of as we speak.


Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
Absolutely mindless bitching is protected, but I'm surprised it's being used so passionately as any kind of political light. I mean if that's what the foundation of your belief structure is, can't argue with that. There's still people in the world who think it's flat. However, I am glad that we finally both agree this is mindless bitching. If you want to continue to debate over the value of mindless bitching go ahead, but I made my point.


Hmmmm, better check that post, Gus. I didn't say that he was bitching mindlessly, I said it was something people do. I think he was just stating his opinion and exercising his free speech.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by skunknuts

Are you seriously giving credit to W for serving in the military?


Last time I checked, the Air National Guard was part of the military. Feel free to do some research on the subject sometime. You'll be surprised.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Why didn't we think of this sooner???

www.snopes.com...

Looks like the jury is still out.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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NONE of you righties ever stated why we should care about this letter in the first place.
My point, in posting about my father was that there are also vets that would totally disagree with this guy.
If you guys can stop knee jerking long enough to explain why we should care I, for one would appreciate it.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
NONE of you righties ever stated why we should care about this letter in the first place.


Since when is it the job of the "Righties" to spoon feed you everything??


Originally posted by OldDragger
My point, in posting about my father was that there are also vets that would totally disagree with this guy.


Great. I'm thrilled.



Originally posted by OldDragger
If you guys can stop knee jerking long enough to explain why we should care I, for one would appreciate it.


If you don't care, then why bother posting your opinion here?


[edit on 27-11-2009 by jerico65]



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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You are kidding right?
THAT'S your answer? Really?
So you don't have an answer as to why this alleged letter means jack either!



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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My point, in posting about my father was that there are also vets that would totally disagree with this guy.



Great. I'm thrilled.

Sure, how respectful. just like our Marine buddy.
shows what hypocrytes you are and how dishonest your brainless 'patriotism" is.
You don't need to ever respect anyone that dares disagree with you do you?
typical bully mentality, your morality and understanding of ANYTHING appears to be about one inch thick.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
You are kidding right?
THAT'S your answer? Really?
So you don't have an answer as to why this alleged letter means jack either!


OK, I'll put this in simple terms. If I had some crayons, I'd use them to draw you a picture to easily understand this.

If this does turn out to be true, it's a guy in Hawaii expressing his opinion and thoughts to Obama. That's pretty much the basic idea of this all.

Now, that's easy to understand, huh??? Here's a smiley face for you, too.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Sure, how respectful. just like our Marine buddy.
shows what hypocrytes you are and how dishonest your brainless 'patriotism" is.
You don't need to ever respect anyone that dares disagree with you do you?


You said you're father was in the USAAF during WW2. Outstanding. I respect him for the combat he engaged in, and that he was in the AF. That he would disagree with this guy in Hawaii, I have no problem with. Why should I? He's entitled to his opinion as much as anyone.


Originally posted by OldDragger
typical bully mentality, your morality and understanding of ANYTHING appears to be about one inch thick.


Oh, shucks. Now you're saying hurtful things to me. And you call me the bully? And question my understanding of things?
Give it a rest, you'll hurt yourself.

I respect your dad because he was in combat with the AF, same as me. He's my brother, in that respect. You, on the other hand, haven't shown much respect to anyone or anything.

You're a no-go at this station. SAOAFR. But have a fine AFSOC day, anyway.



posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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When that Asian guy went crazy at Virginia tech and committed a mass murder. No one said terrorism. Why? Because under the Fox News definition of terrorism, only a Muslim can be guilty. After all, how can an Asian guy at Virginia tech be used as a reason to hate all Muslims, characterizing all of them as inherently violent? Last time I checked, it was members of the "greatest generation" that segregated schools and hung minorities from trees. They also put innocent Japanese-Americans in concentration camps. Just because some guy is old doesn't mean his opinion is inherently better than anyone else. Old people tend me to be set in their ways and unwilling to change. This is not a hard and fast rule but I certainly don't show unlimited deference to their so-called wisdom. I also don't like people who abuse their status as veterans to tell other Americans how to live their lives. We respect your service, but that doesn't make you a better person.

After 9/11, as Obama said, we didn't live up to our ideals. We abandoned them in the face of neocon fearmongering. We arrested and illegally held American citizens as "material witnesses" for months. We illegally tapped Americans' phones and provided retroactive immunity to the telecom companies who broke the law. We illegally fired career US attorneys who aren't supposed to be subject to political forces for a reason. We broke US law and our treaty obligations by kidnapping and torturing people, holding them for years without due process. We urinated on the constitution when it became inconvenient.

This war veteran can swallow his pathetic and hypocritical Fox News rhetoric. I know the law. He lectures Obama on American values and his service in the 40s. I doubt he noticed the "Whites Only" signs he came across or the fact that only Whites could vote in the South for decades after he got back from Europe. Neocons don't care about the civil liberties and rights of other Americans, only their own. They don't care if someone dies as a result of having no health insurance because they have health insurance. I think Bill O'Reilly made my point when he stated that we should only talk peace with Muslims because it's impractical to kill them all. Neocons are so full of fear and hate that they only find comfort when there is an enemy in front of them, lying dead at their feet.

I say the old man can stuff it where the sun don't shine.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by andrewh7]



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