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A Letter to Obama from a WWII veteran

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posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:27 PM
Christian nation?? YOU BET.

Fundamentally, the battle is between a Christian world view and a humanistic worldview. To properly understand Columbus and others involved in the discovery and colonization of the Americas, we must view them in light of the world in which they lived. While Columbus had many shortcomings, his motives were most certainly Christian. Washington Irving writes of Christopher Columbus: "He was devoutly pious: religion mingled with the whole course of his thoughts and actions, and shone forth in his most private and unstudied writings. Whenever he made any great discovery, he celebrated it by solemn thanks to God. The voice of prayer and melody of praise rose from his ships when they first beheld the New World, and his first action on landing was to prostrate himself upon the earth and return thanksgivings. Every evening the Salve Regina and other vesper hymns were chanted by his crew, and masses were performed in the beautiful groves bordering the wild shores of this heathen land. All his great enterprises were undertaken in the name of the Holy Trinity, and he partook of the communion previous to embarkation. He was a firm believer in the efficacy of vows and penances and pilgrimages, and resorted to them in times of difficulty and danger. The religion thus deeply seated in his soul diffused a sober dignity and benign composure over his whole demeanor. His language was pure and guarded, and free from all imprecations, oaths and other irreverent expressions."1

Journal of First Voyage of Columbus

Columbus' actual journals have been lost, but two of his companions, his son Ferdinand and Bartolome Las Casas, recorded abstracts of the original journal. At places they quote Columbus and in other places they summarize his journals.2

Writings in Columbus' journal reveal his primary motives for sailing were his Christian convictions. He had a desire to preach the gospel throughout the nations, and in particular to take Christianity to the Great Khan of eastern Asia. About 200 years before Columbus' voyage, Marco Polo, who had traveled throughout parts of Asia, brought word from the Khan of a desire for missionaries to be sent to his empire. Other Khans who had ruled since Polo's time had also made this request. Columbus had studied the writings of Marco Polo's travels and was also familiar with more recent requests for missionaries to be sent to teach the Christian religion.

He opens his journal of his first voyage with the following:

"In the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Whereas, Most Christian, high, Excellent and Powerful Princes, King and Queen of Spain and of the Islands of the Sea, our Sovereigns, this present year 1492, after your Highnesses had terminated the war with the Moors reigning in Europe, the same having been brought to an end in the great city of Granada, where on the second day of January, this present year, I saw the royal banners of your Highnesses planted by force of arms upon the towers of the Alhambra, which is the fortress of that city, and saw the Moorish king come out at the gate of the city and kiss the hands of your Highnesses, and of the Prince my Sovereign; and in the present month, in consequence of the information which I had given your Highnesses respecting the countries of India and of a Prince, called Great Can, which in our language signifies King of Kings, how at many times he, and his predecessors had sent to Rome soliciting instructors who might teach him our holy faith, and the holy Father had never granted his request, whereby great numbers of people were lost, believing in idolatry and doctrines of perdition.

"Your Highnesses, as Catholic Christians, and princes who love and promote the holy Christian faith, and are enemies of the doctrine of Mahomet, and of all idolatry and heresy, determined to send me, Christopher Columbus, to the above-mentioned countries of India, to see the said princes, people, and territories, and to learn their disposition and the proper method of converting them to our holy faith; and furthermore directed that I should not proceed by land to the East, as is customary, but by a Westerly route, in which direction we have hitherto no certain evidence that any one has gone..."

By the PRESIDENT of the United States Of America

WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANKSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;-- for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;-- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;-- and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions;-- to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.

(signed) George Washington

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:41 PM
IV. Religion and the Congress of the Confederation, 1774-89
The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

The first national government of the United States, was convinced that the "public prosperity" of a society depended on the vitality of its religion. Nothing less than a "spirit of universal reformation among all ranks and degrees of our citizens," Congress declared to the American people, would "make us a holy, that so we may be a happy people."

Congressional Prayer Proclamation, 1779
Continental Congress
March 20, 1779

With the war grinding on In to Its fourth year, this Congressional prayer proclamation evoked a somber tone about the "calamitous" war. They asked for Divine guidance to their commander In chief and asked God to be "be our Shield in the Day of Battle."
March 20, 1779
WHEREAS, in just Punishment of our manifold Transgressions, it hath pleased the Supreme Disposer of all Events to visit these United States with a calamitous War, through which his Divine Providence hath hitherto in a wonderful Manner conducted us, so that we might acknowledge that the Race is not to the Swift, nor the Battle to the Strong: AND WHEREAS, notwithstanding the Chastisements received and Benefits bestowed, too few have been sufficiently awakened to a Sense of their Guilt, or warmed with Gratitude, or taught to amend their Lives and turn from their Sins, that so he might turn his Wrath:

In just Punishment of our manifold Transgressions, it hath pleased the Supreme Disposer of all Events to visit these United States with a calamitous War
AND WHEREAS, from a Consciousness of what we have merited at his Hands, and an Apprehension that the Malevolence of our disappointed Enemies, like the Incredulity of Pharaoh, may be used as the Scourge of Omnipotence to vindicate his slighted Majesty, there is Reason to fear that he may permit much of our Land to become the Prey of the Spoiler, our Borders to be ravaged, and our Habitations destroyed:

THAT it be recommended to the several States to appoint the First Thursday in May next to be a Day of Fasting, Humiliation, and Prayer to Almighty God, that he will be pleased to avert those impending Calamities which we have but too well deserved: That he will grant us his Grace to repent of our Sins, and amend our Lives according to his Holy Word: That he will continue that wonderful Protection which hath led us through the Paths of Danger and Distress: That he will be a Husband to the Widow, and a Father to the fatherless Children, who weep over the Barbarities of a Savage Enemy: That he will grant us Patience in Suffering, and Fortitude in Adversity: That he will inspire us with Humility, Moderation, and Gratitude in prosperous Circumstances: That he will give Wisdom to our Councils, Firmness to our Resolutions, and Victory to our Arms: That he will bless the Labours of the Husbandman, and pour forth Abundance, so that we may enjoy the Fruits of the Earth in due Season: That he will cause Union, Harmony, and mutual Confidence to prevail throughout these States: That he will bestow on our great Ally all those Blessings which may enable him to be gloriously instrumental in protecting the Rights of Mankind, and promoting the Happiness of his Subjects: That he will bountifully continue his paternal Care to the Commander in Chief, and the Officers and Soldiers of the United States: That he will grant the Blessings of Peace to all contending Nations, Freedom to those who are in Bondage, and Comfort to the Afflicted: That he will diffuse Useful Knowledge, extend the Influence of True Religion, and give us that Peace of Mind which the World cannot give: That he will be our Shield in the Day of Battle, our Comforter in the Hour of Death, and our kind Parent and merciful Judge through Time and through Eternity.

Done in CONGRESS, this Twentieth Day of March, in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Nine, and in the Third Year of our Independence.

JOHN JAY, President.

Attest. CHARLES THOMSON, Secretary.


Message from John Adams to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massacusetts
John Adams
October 11, 1798

In this letter Adams declares point blank that, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays I have received from Major-General Hull and Brigadier, General Walker your unanimous address from Lexington, animated with a martial spirit, and expressed with a military dignity becoming your character and the memorable plains on which it was adopted. in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the Nvorld; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, • would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

An address from the officers commanding two thousand eight hundred men, consisting of such substantial citizens as are able and willing at their own expense completely to arm and clothe themselves in handsome uniforms, does honor to that division of the militia which has done so much honor to its country. Oaths in this country are as yet universally considered as sacred obligations. That which you have taken and so solemnly repeated on that venerable spot, is an ample pledge of your sincerity and devotion to your country and its government.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:43 PM
Then why do we have a muslim as President? Christian nation

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 10:44 PM
good for you curious skeptic, for now you are using your head for something besides a hat rack.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:04 PM
reply to post by fmcanarney

Yawn. Yet another tedious post trying to convince us the US is a Christian nation.
Too bad only fundies agree with your contention.
By the way, I'm not a "christian".
Does that mean I'm not an American?
Or will you "tolerate" me?

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:09 PM
As the president of the country, he has certain responsibilities, one of which is being a leader to the nation and providing a driving vision to take the country into the future, and to protect that nation, including fighting all wars. Be it that it was declared or not, the country is at war, and as much as we would hate to, we are going to have to offend someone. Al Quida, the Taliban, and radical Muslims have declared war on the United States, the rest of the world sees this as a war, then perhaps we should go ahead and declare war on them, make it official and quick dickering around about it. While the politician’s debates, people die, the politicians need to sit down, shut up, and let the military do its job.
As president he holds a great precious resource in his hands, but instead of treating it like a great resource, one that would give rise to achievements that could benefit all of mankind, he and those who support him has shown nothing more than contempt, and abuse for those people. Governments that abuse, and fritter away the trust of the people, either remain in power at the point of a gun, or are removed from power by the power of a pen or the point of a gun, which would you prefer?
A country is like a valuable possession, and this government, that of the past 2 administrations has abused, recklessly and stupidly managed, that this entire nation, that our industry is under threat, if not discouraged, resources are pillaged, and worst yet our very characters stifled and attacked, for daring to stand up and letting our voices be heard, and attack on those who gave their lives when called up, their beliefs are called into question, if not disrespected. And those who are asked to do the job that they are trained to do, are being charged with crimes.
This gentleman, the one who served his country and gave the prime of his life to serve in the military, did such, because he believed in the ideals that founded it and perhaps we should take time to listen to what he is saying, after all when politicians get involved in wars, we loose, we do not win, because politicians are changed at the voting booths, but those in the military do not have that option.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:11 PM
i completely agree nwith this man. obama wants us to be a pushover socialist country like france, and thats not what america is all about. if he wants socialism, him and everyone who voted for him can go to france, and let freedom ring.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:14 PM
sorry curious skeptic...i spoke too soon.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:14 PM
reply to post by chrisd250

LOL So... you believe in freedom so much that ANYONE that disagrees with you should leave the country.
It's never too late for that GED!
Why don't you get an education?

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:17 PM
reply to post by OldDragger

tolerate you doing what old dragger?
talking... sure i tolerate that.
there is not much more you could ever do as it is anyway.
so feign boredom, ike you have heard it all before.
you operate off a principal called contempt before investigation anyway.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:19 PM
old dragger,
what is your level of education/intelligence?

so you can hold down the key which puts smiley faced one after the other.
who needs a GED??

[edit on 27-11-2009 by fmcanarney]

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:20 PM
reply to post by OldDragger

i do have an education, this is not a place for flaming. socialism and freedom dont mix. obama is pushing a socialist healthcare bill, therefor he is a socialist. and no, people who disagree with me don't have to leave, this is a free country, but if YOU or anyone else want america to be a socialist european type nation, i will gladly help you pack.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:22 PM
whats wrong old dragger cat got your tongue??? lots of laughs

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:23 PM

When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him.

So because an old man and a General believes that we should send more troops to the middle east to fight a war against no real enemy, we should? I don't know...I strongly respect the guy, and his services to this country, but don't agree with him.

posted on Nov, 27 2009 @ 11:49 PM
reply to post by toast317

i think we should have wiped the entire nation off the map instead of wasting so much money, time, and especially lives on people hell bent to destroy us. now that we are there though, lets finish it and show people america isnt to be messed with.

posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 12:00 AM

Originally posted by toast317

When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him.

So because an old man and a General believes that we should send more troops to the middle east to fight a war against no real enemy, we should? I don't know...I strongly respect the guy, and his services to this country, but don't agree with him.

But who better to make that assessment on the men, equipment and resourses that are needed to win the war than the commanding general who is in charge of the military forces in Afganistan? He is putting his experience, and his career on the line by making that request, and he is there getting reports from different companies, divisions and squads fighting this military action. I would be more inclined to listen to the person who is on the front line and actually having to make decisions that are affecting the fighting force, rather than the politicians who are debating such. We may not agree with this military action, but the country is in the middle of it, and it needs to be either won or bring the troops home, no room for a middle ground.

posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 12:18 AM
reply to post by fmcanarney

I'm actually watching Miracle on 34th Street , and I find it much more enertaining than you!

[edit on 28-11-2009 by OldDragger]

posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 12:38 AM
I look at this and pity these quotes that came from people lucky enough but not deserving enough to be born Americans.

If you have more than a 30 second attention span, I dare you to read this post and come away not at least agreeing with most of what is stated, because what is stated is fact and not my opinion.

The founding fathers of this great nation would roll over in their graves if they saw how common this pathetic leftist attitude is running rampant. It makes me want to puke when a 95 y/o patriot who tells it like it is gets such disrespect from a bunch of pansies who couldn't hold this man's jock. not that republican or democrat has any bearing on what is going on since both at the top are frankly run by the same set of corrupt bankers who took over this country since the federal reserve was established.

lets get one thing straight. this country, though now has many problems due to the very things our forefathers tried in there best attempts to avoid as stated above, have come true... mainly a tyrannical gov't that has circumvented the Constitution, the greatest document ever written. as Thomas Jefferson said, don't let the private bankers print the money... well thats exactly what has happened and its been all downhill from there.

BUT... AND THIS IS A BIG BUT. before the tentacles of the corruption reached out and corrupted as much as they have as is evident in our present times, this man, the OP was around at the last gasps of what was... and still a ghost of what is the greatest nation on earth.

so stick with me here. this nation was founded upon the beliefs that all men should get a fair shot at the pursuit of happiness, and not have some self appointed royal bafoon have any say in that pursuit, or any other man. that the common man, before God, is divine and should be respected as such.

BECAUSE the forefathers of this nation put their butts on the line, and declared independence of the tyrannical British monarchy for these principals and stuck to their beliefs in the common good of all man, it resulted in the greatest nation and power this world has ever seen.

these men who signed the declaration of independence from the greatest power on the planet were basically signing their own death warrants! and whats amazing is THEY HAD A LOT TO LOSE.... THEY WERE RICH! is wasn't as if they had nothing to lose, they had a life of luxury to lose, but believed so much in the fact that the common man should be respected and not used and # on that made the American Revolution so special. Men who where so smart they declared Independence at the risk of losing their lives of luxury (and some did) in the name of the greater good. Even when Britain after many years seemed to have the war clearly won, not one signatory on the Declaration of Independence ever change their minds and went turncoat with what clearly seemed like a death sentence for all of them.

Has anyone seen this level of fortitude in any of our leaders in the last 50 years. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

And after against all odds, we amazing, probably with God's grace, won the war against all odds. Many of those same men wrote the Constitution, which was the humble yet glorious beginnings of the greatest nation this world has ever seen. And unlike the leftist kiss butts, I can say that with the utmost confidence. For these men were not only rich, thought they would be hung at the gallows when the war seemed all but impossible to win, but afterward wrote the greatest document ever written which set the foundation and birth of the greatest nation that was ever conceived of or born. Amazing!

The constitution was and edict against the despot and monarchical rule that dominated and corrupted the world since the world began. For these were the only forms of gov't the world had ever known. Democracy or even a representative republic were never even considered. So the same men who could have easily established a monarchy...

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[edit on 28-11-2009 by insideNSA]

posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 01:00 AM
Decided against establishing a monarchy or despotic rule from the fledgling American military that beat the most powerful military the world had known at the time.

Instead they opted to create a democratic republic (if the internet was around at the time I'm sure they would have opted for a pure democracy, but the practicality of every citizen voting was not a realistic mechanism at the time) but they chose the closest thing. To try to have a government represented by the people, for the people, which was never ever heard of at that time. These men sacrificed it ALL for the greater good of mankind. They could have easily established a monarchy and declared George Washington the King of America, WHICH MANY ACTUALLY WANTED!

But fortunately more spiritual minds prevailed in men who were rich and powerful and wanted to see ALL men get a fair shake! Which resulted in the Constitution being written, arguably one of the most important and greatest documents ever written to establish equality among all men. Because of the great sacrifice of life and limb of these great forefathers and the far sightedness to see the greater good prevail over thousands of years of monarchies ruling.

To give the common man a set of rules and guidelines to be governed by and a brand new form of gov't that was for all instead of for the few... LOOK AT THE RESULT. Our forefathers created the most powerful nation on earth by having confidence in the common man. To educate him and treat them as equals is what made this country the best in the world.

When you understand how this occurred, (for I cannot at all articulate how great this was, there are many authors who write about this, and I suggest every American go and study and read how great our forefathers really were, and how much they sacrificed!) As i said, what a unique situation. These weren't people who had nothing to lose. These were people who had EVERYTHING to lose. They were rich, wealthy and powerful and basically gave the most powerful force on earth the middle finger for the COMMON MAN! For that sacrifice, God clearly rewarded them with the fruits of this great nation.

Ok back to our OP. Those gents in WWII realized what I have just laid out and because of their respect for this great nation, again sacrificed it all to defend us against Imperial monarchies and fascist ideological crazies, who saw that men were not all created equal, as we did. They fought valiantly and after our founding fathers was the next greatest generation of Americans that ever lived.

Now you can see us going the way or the Romans. Imperialistic, not respecting the Constitution which is a timeless document and driving this country intentionally into the ground for the benefit of a few elitist, internationalist bankers who have frankly, hijacked this great nation.

So when you see Obama bow to monarch rulers, the same thing we so valiantly sacrificed everything to avoid in our history. To show that ALL MEN ARE EQUAL in the eyes of God. It is just painful to this old war veteran. He knows what America was built on and is about. And to see our president bow to corrupt monarchs which is the opposite of what we stand for, and then see pansies moan and complain we aren't playing nice.

Frankly they have no clue what this country is about and what equality of all men means.

The American ideal was seen as a step in the direction of what God intended for how men should get along with each other. No one greater than the next man, a pure democracy where everyone is respected and given a fair chance at happiness. When out leader bows to monarchs it is a slap in the face to all the great men and women who served, fought and paid the ultimate sacrifice for the vision our forefathers knew was in lockstep for the future of humanity.

This is bigger than getting along with other leaders. Its setting a higher moral standard for all men, so hopefully one day we may truly enter a Golden age of equality.

[edit on 28-11-2009 by insideNSA]

posted on Nov, 28 2009 @ 01:22 AM
reply to post by insideNSA

bravo. much better written than anything i couldve done. summed up my emotions for my country. it sickens me that people want to destry this great nation and turn it into another monarchy and actually think socialism is good, when its been proven in history time and time again that it DOES NOT WORK!

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