Nun Claims Sex is Rife Within Catholic Church

Is the Catholic Church a money laundering operation and nothing more?

reply to post by Selahobed

I kind of suspected you were a bishop basher I agree that the wealth of all churches and all denominations should be given to the poor. One can only guess at the obsurd amount of money these entities withold from the people who it was meant for.

Wow we actually agree on something lol?

By the way is that really you in the pornographic xmen outfit ?

What a load of bollocks! Didn't you know 50% of Catholics are pedophiles and 50% percent of Muslims are terrorist with bombs under there berkers.And of course 90% of jews are greedy reptiles! What didn't you know that 87% of ATS users are space mutants!

[edit on 27-11-2009 by MOTT the HOOPLE]

Originally posted by jpm06002
How does lifelong celibacy breed pedophilia? why little boys? How does that develop?

I can understand the immense sexual urges.. but why not of the opposite sex of legal age? that would make more sense to me.. and if it reached the point where you could not control it anymore.. why not just step down? that would be the honorable move.

Celibacy does not breed pedophilia. What has likely happened, my opinion, is that the priesthood has become a haven for outcasts. Check out the background of Joseph McCabe a one time priest that left the Church and after that went on to become one of the great secular writers of all time. He saw the problem back at the beginning of the last century from the inside.

Back to my premise on a "haven for outcasts". More and more heterosexual men have shied away from the priesthood over the centuries for a number of reasons with celibacy being near the top of the list. Homosexual men have found refuge in the Church where they can live accepted with a modest amount of anonymity where it comes to there sexual choices. A don't ask, don't tell arrangement of sorts. They can even be forgiven by their fellows in the confessional. Who would know? Only God and their confidants although rumors abound. The Church insiders have been very aware of that and condoned it in that there is a struggle to find young men that will accept the "calling". And so the homosexual priests have built in number over recent decades. At the same time other sexually troubled men and women have sought refuge in the Church. These include pedophiles. Why didn't the Church out them immediately and be done with it all? Likely the homosexual priests were threatened with "outing" by any pedophile that was threatened with prosecution. Blackmail. Stories were made up, children were not believed and we've recently heard much of the other ugly details. And so these pedophiles were swept under the rug and moved from parish to parish and other ruses for decades and likely centuries.

Likely many of these people, the homosexuals, just saw the priesthood as a way to remain close to their religious beliefs but for that one little sin and live as respected members of their community. The homosexual priests were having sex with homosexual priests at least that's my guess. Consenting adults. The pedophiles on the other hand saw the priesthood as a convenient disguise to perform their crimes against helpless children. Keep in mind that homosexuality is not pedophilia and vice versa. Pedophiles often abuse children of the opposite sex and that happened often within the Church too. Notice the story from the OP, that nun was likely a mere teenager when she first encountered sexual attacks from priests and other nuns.

There is no good explanation but celibacy is likely an irritant in this but not the causal factor. This is my opinion but based on my experience as a former Catholic of 50+ years. No, I was never abused and never a member of the clergy.

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reply to post by mopusvindictus


I took an oath to this for a few reasons,

Reason 1

Heart broken and cheated on to many times - so I just dont trust woman anymore. :"(

Reason 2

It increases your immune system over time.

Reason 3

It increases your physical mental and spiritual strength

Reason 4

You begin to feel a strange univesal force with in you - Call it god if you must, this usually comes about after 21 days with out any sexual release

Reason 5

This is a bit funny this usually takes place around 2 - 3 weeks, Males begin to have a slight fear towards you, females begin to look at you. Call it becomeing the alpha male if you must.

As the greek legend goes, - the gods created Pandora, Pandora caused mortality through lust.

This is just a brief on the legend.

Here is the whole
en.wikipedia.org...

Sound like she has some interesting stories that could be made into a film there lol

Originally posted by reasonable
It's believed as many as 50% of priests could be pedophiles, so this does not surprise me.

That's not the way I heard it. What I heard was that it was believed that up to 50% of atheists could be pedophiles, and up to 70% of public school teachers.

"Wow, what big teeth you have," as Little Red Riding Hood said to her grandmother. Please excuse the pun, but with all the virulent rhetoric being spewed upon the Catholic Church, the reference remains true. Now, let me say, I don't comment on religious affairs very often, but this time I shall offer my two-cents for those who wish to take it to the bank and cash it. Lets get one thing strait, now the clergy are gods, correct? The moment they are ordained they are immediately held to a god-like stature? At least that is what I am seeing by the critics and so called "Catholic Bashers." Personally, holier than thou types should be careful, because I am pretty sure if one digs into their dirty laundry, you will find oodles of decrepit things. Didn't Christ say "He who is without sin cast the first stone."?

John 7:53-8:11 in the King James Version:

7:53 And every man went unto his own house. 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

en.wikipedia.org...

So, there you have it. That quote alone should put everyone at rest on the topic, because all of us are sinners. The affronts of the Catholics are no different than the ones found in all organized religions, ranging from Judaism to the Evangelical Christians. It is illogical and unwise to look upon any of these men as god-like because they wear the robes of the clergy. They are no different than any of us and have the same misgivings, as well. Are they not burdened with the same temptation and sins as the rest of us? Yes, they are.

Now, many are going to think I have a Catholic leaning in this debate, and rightfully so. I would, after reading this, but that is beside the point, all I am saying, is that man makes mistakes, it is inherently part of our nature. So, should the deceitful acts such as the ones highlighted in the topic be railed against and scorned, as well as, the whole myriad of other offenses made by the Catholic Church? Beyond a shadow of a doubt, yes! But, so should offenses made by all organized religions, and no one gets a pass. However, we should take the time and look in on own houses first, because I am pretty sure they are not as tidy as we would like to believe.

reply to post by Hemisphere


That looks like a fairly reasonable explanation of how the problem develops.
It is understandable that celibacy is considered an optimum state for appreciating the spiritual. As you explained celibacy as a mandated lifestyle causes a lot of honest would be priests to turn away from the calling.

To some extent the Catholic system rewards cheats and liars who can hide their sexual activity and put on a good face for their parishioners. It is the repression, secrecy, and intimidation against the victims of sexual abuse that is the problem. The Catholic church has simply created an image of its Priests that demands an unrealistic lifestyle.

Originally posted by factbeforefiction

Originally posted by reasonable
It's believed as many as 50% of priests could be pedophiles, so this does not surprise me.

That's not the way I heard it. What I heard was that it was believed that up to 50% of atheists could be pedophiles, and up to 70% of public school teachers.

I hate atheists, I hate them I hate them I hate them.

Those that fail to seek the truth shall be kept from the truth as punishment of there own ignorance.

I hate atheists. My ex girlfriend who is ment to be a strict roman catholic cheated on me with some atheists italian.

I will condem her to hell and he I condem him to pluto.

Even thoe I am not catholic I'm a bitza from all religions dark and light. I from the bottom of my heart think atheists have no place in this world - to be ignorant of your own spirit / soul, to be ignorant of god, to be ignorant of devine love, to be ignorant of the morals of what is right and what is wrong.

atheists = ignorant, to use, abuse, to lust, to destroy the love between two people all for the sence of your own sexual satisfaction, to have no moral structure and belief system.

Only if we still lived in medieval times I could plead to all religions that we bring apon a dark age.

Come to think of it, gay people as well are more or less atheists.

This is a FU**ED up day and age we live in.

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
This is the sort of thing that lifelong forced celibacy breeds, among other heinous acts; child rape and torture come to mind.

It makes you wonder how much longer the Catholic Church can possibly last, not being able to go for a day without a brand new scandal involving rape, torture, blackmail or extortion. How much longer can some people convince themselves, "oh it's only a few bad ones and there's bad people everywhere"?

First of all, the celibacy is not forced. One is not forced to be a nun.

Secondly, the United States government has extorted more people than the Catholic church ever will using what it calls "taxes". I've never heard any serious complaints at all about that. Furthermore, nothing is ever done about the tens or hundreds of thousands of rapes that occur in prisons each year. And in addition to that I don't even want to imagine what goes on through foster homes and government controlled orphanages. Again, I've never heard a single complaint from anyone about it even on the internet! So I'd say the Catholic Church is the least of our problems.

So however long the United States lasts through its extortion and murders, the Catholic church is a lot better and therefore should last a lot longer.

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reply to post by Jakes51

Didn't Christ say "He who is without sin cast the first stone."?

Didn't his father say "If he's gay stone the bastard till he's dead "?

Boring - like we didn't know.

A more interesting Thread would be...

STRIPPER CLAIMS CATHOLICISM IS RIFE AMONGST BORDELLO WORKERS.

The Government just continues to allow the Church of PEDOPHILIA to simply move these Priests around like Chess pieces to various locations. Protected by the KING. No Harm, No Foul i guess.
Here you come in the confessional box (uh, not like that tho) to CONFESS your SINS to a Perv who actually should be Confessing to you!

paedophillia is not solely in the catholic church...

it occurs in many different so called christian groups world wide. as well as, non christian groups.

while the catholic church does some crazy crap, no religion is free from scorn. now before a buddhist pipes in and says "not us" there are militant buddhist wings in the world.

paedophillia, sexual abuse and killing are not religious doctrines, but human flaws.

holier than thou attitudes towards one group is pretty one eyed judgment.

Shame on the Mods for allowing this pure, unadulterated tripe to continue. What "conspiracy" has been forwarded? What is being acomplished here?

I see nothing more then hate.

reply to post by crmanager



This thread is following a top news story on CNN.
We are fortunate to have people here on ATS that have 1st hand knowledge of this subject.

www.cnn.com...

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

The book by the former nun reveals how as a young novice she was propositioned in the confession box by a priest who cited biblical references to "divine kisses". Later she was cornered by a lesbian nun at a college where they were teaching. "She would come to my bed in the night and do lewd acts and I could not stop her," she claims.

When she was sent to Bangalore to stay with a priest known for his piety, he lectured her about the need for "physical love" and later assaulted her. "Back in his room, he tried to fondle me and when I resisted, got up and asked angrily if I had seen a man. When I said no, he stripped himself, ejaculated and forced me to strip," she writes.

According to Sister Jesme, senior church officials twice tried to admit her into rehabilitation clinics and claimed she had mental problems after she complained about the scale of sexual abuse and the number of illicit affairs between nuns and priests.

Source

This is the sort of thing that lifelong forced celibacy breeds, among other heinous acts; child rape and torture come to mind.
I've heard about this sort of thing before, priests forcing themselves upon nuns, knowing that they won't speak out, out of shame. And if they do manage to gather to courage to do so, well then they're clearly mentally unstable and need to be sent in for reprogramming and reeducation. It makes me sick.

It makes you wonder how much longer the Catholic Church can possibly last, not being able to go for a day without a brand new scandal involving rape, torture, blackmail or extortion. How much longer can some people convince themselves, "oh it's only a few bad ones and there's bad people everywhere"?

Clearly the Church is doomed to fail any minute now. I mean, what with nuns and priests skirting celebacy to the point that it was a joke in popular culture some 700 years ago. Wow. How will they make it?!?!

See: The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio, day 3 story 1. And he's Italian, and his book was never condemed by the church.

Onoes! Onoes! The Church is going to fall! Nevermind the Borgia and Medici Popes who squandered funds on papal orgies, giving prizes for the men who had the most orgasms (William Manchester- A World Lit Only By Fire), or the Borgia pope who couldn't afford candles for his tomb (1000 A.D. , which is actually about pope Sylvester II).

Onoes!

Does anyone read anymore, or are we all children of new media? Have we forgotten the lessons of the past in our tin-foil hat haze?

Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by ZombieOctopus

 

It makes you wonder how much longer the Catholic Church can possibly last, not being able to go for a day without a brand new scandal involving rape, torture, blackmail or extortion. How much longer can some people convince themselves, "oh it's only a few bad ones and there's bad people everywhere"?

The anti-Catholic insanity on this site is staggering. I know the rsponse will be "Just stating the truth on a CONSPIRACY site" but that is the same tripe spouted by anti-semites on this site.

The real truth is a day can't go by without anti-Christian hatred being espoused on this site.

I guess there is no rape, "torture", sodomy going on in any other religion.

See, the advantage you have is you blame a RELIGION for the faults of a person. Deviants do not devalue a religion.

Just as you would defend a gay child molester against the claim that ALL gays are child molesters, I would defend a 2,000 year old religion, the one started by Jesus, that PEOPLE are flawed, not the religion and they NEED that same religion to save them from themselves.

How many gays are child molesters compaired to priests i bet the priests would win that one comfortably wake up the religion is dying and we can only hope the corruption that comes with the catholic church goes with it!!