Not so bothered about this guys supposed Human Rights, wether he is an Aspergers sufferer or not, he seems cognitive to me and he committed a crime, regardless of what he was "intending" to look for and what he actually did.

What bothers me and most I speak to about this is the blatant one-sided treatment Britain gets off the back of this extradition treaty. The US has to provide little evidence to extradite someone from the UK, just an accusation basically. Whereas the UK must provide an insurmountable burden of proof to even get an extradition hearing for a US citizen wanted for alleged crimes.

Another example of this "special relationship" is anything but.

Originally posted by stumason
Not so bothered about this guys supposed Human Rights, wether he is an Aspergers sufferer or not, he seems cognitive to me and he committed a crime, regardless of what he was "intending" to look for and what he actually did.

What bothers me and most I speak to about this is the blatant one-sided treatment Britain gets off the back of this extradition treaty. The US has to provide little evidence to extradite someone from the UK, just an accusation basically. Whereas the UK must provide an insurmountable burden of proof to even get an extradition hearing for a US citizen wanted for alleged crimes.

Another example of this "special relationship" is anything but.

Blame the UK government. Also, I'd like to say that I am grateful on this day for Gary McKinnon.

Originally posted by tezzajw
His alleged 'crime' was on British soil, he should not have to face being sent to the USA.

I really do hope that a nigerian scammer steals all your money, I really do. Why would people be allowed to commit crimes outside a given country and get away with it?

IMO the crime he is accused of is a dumb one, nevertheless is still a crime. My only whish is the US, and all other countries that can, followed similar steps agaisnt international scammers and such which are far more dangerous that this individual.

EDIT: Wow, that's one stupid word filter. How is a nationality an insult?

[edit on 26-11-2009 by daniel_g]

McKinnon was wanted in the US on five offences of "fraud and related activity on government computers"

this alone is a federal offense which is subject to extradition to the country the crime occured in,
meaning that because they were US government property, and they were in the USA, he could be extradited under international treaties and laws.

I'm starting to think this case has a lot more too it, yeah I know here we go about the Disclosure thing.

But think about it for a moment, if he really does have something up his sleeve, meaning that he can use in his defense, something which could be called into evidence by a judge, something he managed to get a hard copy of, then it could end up either embarrassing the US Government, or opening a can of worms they would have killed to keep closed not so long ago.

Perhaps this is part of a plan drawn up long ago to open that can of worms? to get the headlines needed to get questions asked, and to force information into the open.

It's obvious crime or not, this case has gone way over the top on both sides of the pond, I ask why? why is it so important to bring all this into the open, when they could have made a deal, put him on trial in the UK, and had him put in prison without the headlines that are going to appear in the USA, which up to now has been small if that articles on pages inside, this could bring it onto the front page, why?

And don't tell me it's about justice, for two years now the CIA and other agencies have fought tooth and nail to cover other details from going public, yet they seem determined to keep fanning the flames under this small spark, it seems weird to me, this could have been dealt with and gone away years ago, two Administrations and the same push.

Does nobody else find this strange?

I hope the rumors are true, and he does have something to pull from his hat, he has even hinted himself when asked, does he have anything he could use to embarrass the US Government, and he said he wouldn't tell them if he had.

This is not about sending a message to hackers, this seems a lot more to me.

Originally posted by azzllin
And don't tell me it's about justice,

In my opinion, you are correct. Whoever is pulling the strings here cares nothing about so called 'justice'.

Originally posted by azzllin
I hope the rumors are true, and he does have something to pull from his hat,

I don't think that's the case, unfortunately. I have a feeling that they want him as a pin-up boy to show the world what they will do to hackers. Gary is an easy target to acquire, so to speak. The Brits were always going to roll over and let him be kidnapped from his homeland.

I don't care if it's defined to be 'legal'. It's wrong. His alleged 'cybercrime' was committed when he was on his home British soil.

Well in all honesty it can't be sending to much of a message seeing as that climate change data got hacked the other week...

Big up the hackers !!!! Keep doing what you do best.....

What annoys me is he didn't really hack into the computers, from his account they were practically wide open. The hardest thing he had to do was type in a default password, which was most likely password or admin. How can he be blamed for a lack of any real security? These agencies and companies should be prosecuted for such gross negligence.

But think about it for a moment, if he really does have something up his sleeve, meaning that he can use in his defense, something which could be called into evidence by a judge, something he managed to get a hard copy of, then it could end up either embarrassing the US Government, or opening a can of worms they would have killed to keep closed not so long ago.

I'm certain that if that be the case, it would be rejected by the court in the name of National Security, or some other interpretation that disallows submittal of any evidence for the defense.

It's like a vendetta. Bog brother gonna make an example of him if for nothing else, caustic revenge for exposing the lack of security surrounding these highly sensitive materials, whether real or virtual, his ass is Big brother's.

Typo

[edit on 27-11-2009 by imd12c4funn]

i have listened to his interviews and i believe the guy really stumbled upon something that the gov wants to cover up...he said while he was logged on, he looked at the IP's of others logged on and there were a dozen or so from all over the world. why would they go for him instead of another gov's spy? because he's an easy target by not covering his tracks. i think he has something up his sleeve that will help his case tho =)

And in the meantime *they* can hack into our computers and see what files we have/"shouldnt" have, and then falsely accuse that person of downloading them onto that computer (without ever having proof of that person using the computer at the time.)

And if its the other way around you end up facing extradition and prisonment, hardly justifiable is it.

hes being locked up because he supposedly broke all the computers he hacked into causing over a half million pounds of damage...which is total BS...

THAT alone is reason enough to be suspect..they made this up so they could lock him up...

the british government is sending a young man to his death for trumped up charges..and they know it...its making me sick.....

Originally posted by daniel_g
EDIT: Wow, that's one stupid word filter. How is a nationality an insult?
[edit on 26-11-2009 by daniel_g]

Off topic.... Yhea I've been caught out by that one using a word that is in the dictionary.... (of course I can't use the actual word!)

–verb (used without object)
1. to laugh in a half-suppressed, indecorous or disrespectful manner.
–verb (used with object)
2. to utter with a snicker.
–noun
3. a snickering laugh.

Only it wasn't snicker... What's happening to English?

On topic... Mr Mcinnon is going to be made a sort of martyr for intillegent people - the US is to proud to admit they have gon way OTT... My flipping govt is to cat whipped to do anything about it - I've never said this before.... I wonder what it's like to live in France?

OK , now if we are still logic, and still thinking, the covert ban on the truth about existance of aliens and ufo's, is not about just one country. It's about all of them. The UK and the U.S must have some sort of pact allowing them to emprison and transfer a "security risk" on the basis of assesment of threats.

Imagine yourself withholding one of the biggest secrets of all humanity, there is no way in hell that one country is going to overstep another. Most probably those G8 Summits are all about this type of stuff... meetings permitting confidential treaties to be withheld between nations. Pretty sure that the political barganing points of the U.S dollar where pretty good before the financial meltdown, and pretty sure they were the ones giving the advice and being followed. But I would watch out the the European Union as it is most likelly to be the next superpower dictating terms.

This guy that hacked NSA and NASA, most likely had information that they want to hold on to. So there is no way that either governement will let go, He will most likelly dissapear, and join them... you wait and see

Originally posted by KpxMarMoTT
Imagine yourself withholding one of the biggest secrets of all humanity, there is no way in hell that one country is going to overstep another.

Yes, imagine yourself withholding one of the biggest secrets of all humanity. Would you keep such information on an open non-encrypted network, without even so much as a simple password protect?

We're not talking SIPRNet, or JWICS here; so if national/international security is the issue, then they're definitely prosecuting the wrong person.

[edit on 11/27/09 by redmage]