French sientists wants to combine H1N1 with H5N1 to see if they can create extreemly dangerous virus, page 1
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Topic started on 26-11-2009 @ 01:54 PM by eriathwen
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Snipped form sourse:
"On one of the most secure laboratories in the world scientists want to mix one of the most contagious viruses that exists with one of the deadliest. The goal is to determine whether swine flu and bird flu can be a dangerous mix." ??

Is this the official start of it (the lab created pandemic)?


reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 01:57 PM by kiwifoot
Originally posted by eriathwen

www.nordlys.no...

Snipped form sourse:
"On one of the most secure laboratories in the world scientists want to mix one of the most contagious viruses that exists with one of the deadliest. The goal is to determine whether swine flu and bird flu can be a dangerous mix." ??

Is this the official start of it (the lab created pandemic)?



Hm, seems like a bad idea on the face of it, all it takes is a leak and "goodbye" %90 of the population!

But then again, we might learn something that will help us if this occurs "naturally" ( I mean not in the lab, MY opinion is that there is nothing "natural" about swine flu!).


I'd have to go err on the side of caution I'm afraid!



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reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 01:58 PM by Seiko
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There was a thread here the other day asking about mad scientists. I think this qualifies as a good answer.

I there an english news link? I can't seem to find one.



reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 02:05 PM by eriathwen
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No cant seem to find one yet, but the google transelation works ok, I've read it transelated to, to se if it was understandable without any major mistakes


reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 02:06 PM by eriathwen
This is the entire article:

On one of the most secure laboratories in the world scientists want to mix one of the most contagious viruses that exists with one of the deadliest. The goal is to determine whether swine flu and bird flu can be a dangerous mix.

Swine flu (H1N1) infected easily, but only takes the life of a fraction of those who are infected. Bird flu (H5N1) takes the lives of more than 60 percent of its human victims, but rarely transmitted from person to person. Should these two mixed up, or mutate, a new type of horror virus see the light of day: A virus with a mortality rate of avian influenza virus and infectious of the swine influenza virus, Dagsavisen.

By Inserm-lab biosafety level 4 in Lyon in France is deadly viruses, such as Ebola, Marburg and Hendra locked in safes. The lab is located in a building that will withstand both earthquakes and explosions. Researchers are moving around in the protective equipment that is reminiscent of spacesuits with its own oxygen supply. Inserm is the French national institute for public health and medical research.


Mutate
Now, research group in Lyon to try to determine if the H1N1 virus will mix with its more deadly cousin H5N1 and become a virus with the worst features of both. If you find out what kind of mute ring that can take place and what type of flu that can occur, it may be the key to predicting how future pandemics will evolve.

They have now studied how H1N1 can become resistant to medication Tamiflu. Now we hope the research group's leader, Bruno Lina, to get the green light to start trying to mix the two viruses.

- It is a controversial study, but it is basic research that needs to be done, "says Lina of the magazine Nature.

- If you find out which parts of the H5H1 virus that are most vulnerable to shuffle about, so you can be extra careful if the virus is changing there, "says Lina.

Olav Hungnes is the coordinator for influenza surveillance at the NIPH in Norway. He said that the possibility exists that the swine flu virus may change. Hungnes explains that the virus' genetic characteristics can omstokkes so that it takes up in the genes from another virus. In order for the swine influenza virus and the avian flu virus is mixed into a new dangerous viruses is that they meet. There are so few cases of bird flu in humans, the chances are small, "says Hungnes.


Mixing Skar
Bird flu has the highest prevalence in Southeast Asia.

- It has been thought that the pig could act as a mixture cut for the two types of influenza. Der reviewed pigs, geese and people freely. But so far this has not happened, "said Dr. Bjorn Iversen at the NIPH.

- If it's going to happen, no one knows. What you think of this question depends on whether you are an optimist or pessimist. Optimist would say that since it has not happened yet, it will not happen at all. Pessimist would say that now it has held for so long that it is right before it can do it. Although I think the likelihood that it will occur is low. Now the bird flu virus circulating since 1987. It came back in 2003, and despite the fact that it has been very much normal seasonal influenza, there have not been able to mix with this, "says Iversen.

Bjorn Iversen says that there is research on this around the world. On a U.S. laboratory have researcher Jeffrey Taube Berger managed to reconstruct the Spanish sickness virus that ravaged the early 1900's. His research team has cultivated a new live virus. (ANB)


reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 04:01 PM by Drunkenshrew
Irresponsible scientists can be found in every country of the world. But again, madmen from the U.S. were quicker than their French counterparts. The CDC has already conducted reassortment experiments, infecting ferrets with H1N1 and H5N1.
blogs.wsj.com...

It is only a matter of time, when the first highly contagious and lethal hybrid virus escapes from a laboratory.

We were lucky this year once. Baxter had contaminated 72 kg virus vaccine with deadly bird flu virus from Vietnam. The bird flu virus was acquired from the WHO. Baxter then sent the wrongly labeled cocktails to 16 labs in 4 countries. Only a diligent Czech lab technician stopped a deadly "accident".
www.voltairenet.org...


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reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 04:43 PM by eriathwen
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The first article seems to be the same story from my article "To find out, scientists at the CDC recently launched experiments in the agency’s labs in which they infected ferrets with both the new H1N1 virus and the highly lethal H5N1 avian flu virus to see if they might “reassort” to create a new hybrid.

The scientists want to know whether a combination of the H1N1 virus -– highly transmissible, but not terribly deadly -– and the H5N1 flu virus could create an easily transmissible, deadly scourge. The H5N1 virus has only sickened 440 people world-wide since 2003 and generally isn’t transmitted from one person to another. But it has killed 262, or about 60%, of those people, according to the World Health Organization."

And YES i know all about the baxter incidence and other fatal mistakes and experiments from the pharmasutical industry, thats why my alarm went off..


reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 05:26 PM by Drunkenshrew
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These are similar experiments. But I fear these reckless experiments are conducted by more than one research group. The CDC has its own biosafety level 4 laboratory in Atlanta.

Gibbs et al published an interesting article in Virology Journal: "From where did the 2009 'swine-origin' influenza A virus (H1N1) emerge?" In this article the scientists suspect a bioengineered swine vaccine as source of the current swine flu virus.
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