Are cases like this common?
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Topic started on 26-11-2009 @ 06:00 AM by C0bzz
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Man Gets 120 Days for Shooting Cyclist in the Head
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Police said Charles Diez, an Asheville firefighter since 1992, stopped his car to confront a couple riding bikes along heavily traveled Tunnel Road. Diez was apparently incensed by Alan Simons carrying his 3-year-old child on a seat mounted on the back of his bike. After an argument, Diez pulled a gun and shot at Simons, but the bullet passed through Simon's bicycle helmet, just missing his skull, police said.(visit the link for the full news article)
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 06:55 AM by PSUSA
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Yes. I dont have any trouble finding stories like this. I focus on cops.
it seems to be unusual for firemen to do things like this. They save lives, they don't take them.
Are cases like this common?
Yes. I dont have any trouble finding stories like this. I focus on cops.
it seems to be unusual for firemen to do things like this. They save lives, they don't take them.
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 07:54 AM by Raist
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I believe they are talking more about the fact that he is ex-military playing a part. The firefighter thing is only a secondary issue.
As for just watching all police as I have said before there are bad people in all careers, not just the police. The police and many other careers are looking for ex-military personnel now more than ever it seems. This most likely is because of the training they have and nothing more.
As for this case it seems there is more to this guy than is being said. I would like to see more on the story. But for the sake of the case there is no reason for him to pull out a weapon and fire it at an unarmed person. That to me brings into suspect his mental health and possible PTSD. Normal people do not shoot at others unless something else is wrong.
I have had instances I wanted to tell some cyclists off though for riding on rural roads with no real place for them to ride. It is really dangerous when you top a hill or go around a corner and some idiot on a bicycled is in the middle of the lane. In these cases they need to take their bike to a safer place to ride and not a heavily traveled rural road.
Raist
I believe they are talking more about the fact that he is ex-military playing a part. The firefighter thing is only a secondary issue.
As for just watching all police as I have said before there are bad people in all careers, not just the police. The police and many other careers are looking for ex-military personnel now more than ever it seems. This most likely is because of the training they have and nothing more.
As for this case it seems there is more to this guy than is being said. I would like to see more on the story. But for the sake of the case there is no reason for him to pull out a weapon and fire it at an unarmed person. That to me brings into suspect his mental health and possible PTSD. Normal people do not shoot at others unless something else is wrong.
I have had instances I wanted to tell some cyclists off though for riding on rural roads with no real place for them to ride. It is really dangerous when you top a hill or go around a corner and some idiot on a bicycled is in the middle of the lane. In these cases they need to take their bike to a safer place to ride and not a heavily traveled rural road.
Raist
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 10:39 AM by PSUSA
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In my opinion, I dont buy that excuse. But I can see how some defense attorney might try and make that case. And who knows, maybe there is something to it.
Did he shoot people like this in Iraq or Afghanistan for no real reason except for doing things that pissed him off?
Some people are both "normal" and evil. It doesn't mean someone is insane just because they fly off the handle like this.
It's unusual though. I really respect firemen, and paramedics. They are about the only public servants that, if I came upon one injured, I would help, and not just stand there, light up a cig, and poke him with a sharp stick.
But for the sake of the case there is no reason for him to pull out a weapon and fire it at an unarmed person. That to me brings into suspect his mental health and possible PTSD. Normal people do not shoot at others unless something else is wrong.
In my opinion, I dont buy that excuse. But I can see how some defense attorney might try and make that case. And who knows, maybe there is something to it.
Did he shoot people like this in Iraq or Afghanistan for no real reason except for doing things that pissed him off?
Some people are both "normal" and evil. It doesn't mean someone is insane just because they fly off the handle like this.
It's unusual though. I really respect firemen, and paramedics. They are about the only public servants that, if I came upon one injured, I would help, and not just stand there, light up a cig, and poke him with a sharp stick.
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 12:44 PM by Raist
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I would say that a great deal of our military have been subjected to numerous chemicals. Be they chemicals through vaccinations for whatever to even gases and stuff absorbed through their skin.
Not only that but when I spoke of PTSD I was not talking simply about him shooting at people but him at one time being shot at himself. That along with going through boot camp and with the number of stories surfacing now about hazing that goes on. Actually though it is my understanding that all police, firemen, and paramedics go through their own forms of hazing as well.
I am not giving this guy a get out of jail free card; I in fact think he should have gotten a stiffer sentence. But the facts are he has been through things most of us never will be through. I am sure he has been one of those people that have come across scenes most people darn not even dream about. Again this is not a get out of jail free card for him but an attempt to understand why he might have done this.
As for normal people being evil, well that is debatable. I don’t believe any normal person goes out of their way to harm another of minor issues. That sort of thing is simply for those who have an underlying mental issue that is yet to be seen.
Raist
I would say that a great deal of our military have been subjected to numerous chemicals. Be they chemicals through vaccinations for whatever to even gases and stuff absorbed through their skin.
Not only that but when I spoke of PTSD I was not talking simply about him shooting at people but him at one time being shot at himself. That along with going through boot camp and with the number of stories surfacing now about hazing that goes on. Actually though it is my understanding that all police, firemen, and paramedics go through their own forms of hazing as well.
I am not giving this guy a get out of jail free card; I in fact think he should have gotten a stiffer sentence. But the facts are he has been through things most of us never will be through. I am sure he has been one of those people that have come across scenes most people darn not even dream about. Again this is not a get out of jail free card for him but an attempt to understand why he might have done this.
As for normal people being evil, well that is debatable. I don’t believe any normal person goes out of their way to harm another of minor issues. That sort of thing is simply for those who have an underlying mental issue that is yet to be seen.
Raist
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 01:15 PM by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by Seiko
Attempted murder is now a four month jail sentence?
The grand jury reduced the charge to felony assault.
While Diez was originally charged with attempted first-degree murder, a grand jury refused to press those charges, instead indicting him on the felony assault charge.
Convictions on such a charge result in an average 20-39 months in prison for the defendant. But in the sentencing, Superior Court Judge James Downs found that Diez’s military service, along with testimony from former colleagues about his good character, were mitigating factors, and chose to sentence him to 15-27 months instead.
Downs suspended all but four months of that sentence unless Diez breaks the law again in the next 30 months. As part of his sentence, Diez is required to attend anger-management training and pay $1,200 to cover Simons’ medical costs for damage to his eardrum.
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Shooting is a little harsh, but I feel that those people who ride with their kids in those bicycle trailers or jog with their kids in those strollers in heavy traffic deserve to be horse whipped.
[edit on 2009/11/26 by GradyPhilpott]
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 01:22 PM by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by Seiko
Attempted murder is now a four month jail sentence?
The grand jury reduced the charge to felony assault.
While Diez was originally charged with attempted first-degree murder, a grand jury refused to press those charges, instead indicting him on the felony assault charge.
Convictions on such a charge result in an average 20-39 months in prison for the defendant. But in the sentencing, Superior Court Judge James Downs found that Diez’s military service, along with testimony from former colleagues about his good character, were mitigating factors, and chose to sentence him to 15-27 months instead.
Downs suspended all but four months of that sentence unless Diez breaks the law again in the next 30 months. As part of his sentence, Diez is required to attend anger-management training and pay $1,200 to cover Simons’ medical costs for damage to his eardrum.
www.mountainx.com...
Shooting is a little harsh, but I feel that those people who ride with their kids in those bicycle trailers or jog with their kids in those strollers in heavy traffic deserve to be horse whipped.
[edit on 2009/11/26 by GradyPhilpott]
My guess is that Simon won't ride around with his kid like that again!!!
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 01:22 PM by Raist
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They are allowed on the roads here as well. But let’s look at common sense. It is not safe to ride a bike that cannot reach anything close to driving speed on road ways with little visibility.
It is rather stupid to ride when someone driving the speed limit might hit you because they come across you and see you at the last minute. I have had to hit the brakes several times because I came around a corner or come over a hill and some idiot that is riding their bike is in the center of the lane without a clue in the world as to a several ton piece of metal coming toward them. There are many times you have to travel miles behind them because they are to moronic to move out of the way and passing can be rather dangerous in those conditions.
It is not about their right to be able to ride their bikes but about common sense of safety for oneself and others. It is unsafe to have someone riding a bike on rural roads in low visibility areas. The speed limits are no lower than 35 MPH on some turns. No bike rider I know of can make those speeds and match a vehicle which weighs several tons more than they do. Facts are if you hit someone on a bike you are not going to get hurt, the person on the bike is likely to die though.
Raist
They are allowed on the roads here as well. But let’s look at common sense. It is not safe to ride a bike that cannot reach anything close to driving speed on road ways with little visibility.
It is rather stupid to ride when someone driving the speed limit might hit you because they come across you and see you at the last minute. I have had to hit the brakes several times because I came around a corner or come over a hill and some idiot that is riding their bike is in the center of the lane without a clue in the world as to a several ton piece of metal coming toward them. There are many times you have to travel miles behind them because they are to moronic to move out of the way and passing can be rather dangerous in those conditions.
It is not about their right to be able to ride their bikes but about common sense of safety for oneself and others. It is unsafe to have someone riding a bike on rural roads in low visibility areas. The speed limits are no lower than 35 MPH on some turns. No bike rider I know of can make those speeds and match a vehicle which weighs several tons more than they do. Facts are if you hit someone on a bike you are not going to get hurt, the person on the bike is likely to die though.
Raist
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 02:45 PM by Goathief
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Well I'd just put that down to your ignorance and bad driving then, a speed limit is exactly that, a limit. You don't aim to continuously do that speed, for example on some of our single lane-roads the limit is 60mph with blind hairpins and the like, if you attempted to turn a corner that fast you will fly off the road and crash - end of story. What you have to remember is that you do not have priority over cyclists, they are perfectly entitled to go where they like within the law. If you're such a maniac behind the wheel that you have to take emergency evasive action to avoid hitting them then you shouldn't be allowed to drive!
There are also many other dangers besides cyclists on those types of roads including other manic road users who might well be doing the same, and you will probably be injured from a collision like that. If you can't see what is around a bend or elevation and can't stop in time then slow down as you are driving too fast, simples.
I don't think the shooter is justified in any way, to try to blame the cyclist for the driver's lack of hazard perception is insane.
Well I'd just put that down to your ignorance and bad driving then, a speed limit is exactly that, a limit. You don't aim to continuously do that speed, for example on some of our single lane-roads the limit is 60mph with blind hairpins and the like, if you attempted to turn a corner that fast you will fly off the road and crash - end of story. What you have to remember is that you do not have priority over cyclists, they are perfectly entitled to go where they like within the law. If you're such a maniac behind the wheel that you have to take emergency evasive action to avoid hitting them then you shouldn't be allowed to drive!
There are also many other dangers besides cyclists on those types of roads including other manic road users who might well be doing the same, and you will probably be injured from a collision like that. If you can't see what is around a bend or elevation and can't stop in time then slow down as you are driving too fast, simples.
I don't think the shooter is justified in any way, to try to blame the cyclist for the driver's lack of hazard perception is insane.
reply posted on 26-11-2009 @ 09:54 PM by Raist
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Wow maybe you should lighten up a bit before condoning my driving. I have yet to have an accident, and I have been driving for quite some time. As far as your hairpin turns and flying off the road goes maybe it is you that is driving too fast. If you have your vehicle equipped right it can take that corner at 60.
Besides driving below the limit can cause other accidents. Ever heard of being ticketed for driving too slow?
Actually according to laws in these parts cyclists are supposed to go into the oncoming traffic lane when getting into an area that would be considered a blind spot for those coming behind them. The problem is that the cyclists around these parts do not follow those laws thinking that if they are hit they have no fault what so ever. Of course they are at fault for being morons. Again I could care less if they ride their toys on the road as long as they do it in a safe manner.
As for those riding in town 90% of those I have seen do not stop at lights or signs and ride on sidewalks and break every other rule I can think of. What I am saying is that for the most part the cyclists in this area are pretty much brain dead fools. You can defend them all you want. But until you are in the situation of putting up with them you do not know what it is like.
I never said the shooter was justified. If you believe I did please point to it. Also when on the road it is not only the drivers that should be aware of danger. The cyclist is just as responsible for that as well. It is a bit hard for them to hear cars coming up on them when they are only able to hear their MP3 players and have no means of seeing behind them.
Blaming everything on a driver is also insane. The road goes both ways.
Raist
Wow maybe you should lighten up a bit before condoning my driving. I have yet to have an accident, and I have been driving for quite some time. As far as your hairpin turns and flying off the road goes maybe it is you that is driving too fast. If you have your vehicle equipped right it can take that corner at 60.
Besides driving below the limit can cause other accidents. Ever heard of being ticketed for driving too slow?
Actually according to laws in these parts cyclists are supposed to go into the oncoming traffic lane when getting into an area that would be considered a blind spot for those coming behind them. The problem is that the cyclists around these parts do not follow those laws thinking that if they are hit they have no fault what so ever. Of course they are at fault for being morons. Again I could care less if they ride their toys on the road as long as they do it in a safe manner.
As for those riding in town 90% of those I have seen do not stop at lights or signs and ride on sidewalks and break every other rule I can think of. What I am saying is that for the most part the cyclists in this area are pretty much brain dead fools. You can defend them all you want. But until you are in the situation of putting up with them you do not know what it is like.
I never said the shooter was justified. If you believe I did please point to it. Also when on the road it is not only the drivers that should be aware of danger. The cyclist is just as responsible for that as well. It is a bit hard for them to hear cars coming up on them when they are only able to hear their MP3 players and have no means of seeing behind them.
Blaming everything on a driver is also insane. The road goes both ways.
Raist
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