Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
If I ever caught my kid listening to some hollow trash like Lil Wayne I think I'd just drop him off in the nearest ghetto as a lost cause and get on with my life.

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Wow, got to be tough to be kind i guess lol

Basically as a musicologist and observer of social values.

Original pre-80's to early 90's Hip-hop - It was about being comfortable with what you haven't got materially but make up for it with soul and wisdom and a non-materialistic but generally optimistic attitude even with the most melancholic of Hip hop.

Pre-Mid 90's Hip hop - This was the downward spiral - although not all bad, in fact hip hop branched into many other genres (drum and bass, rock, metal, punk, Ska etc) - But elementally Hip hop became diluted with commercialism and materialistic negativity.

Although we can only ever judge the era, and not the music.

Or can we?

[edit on 7-4-2010 by mr-lizard]

Well I know very little about individual artists & songs, but still love tunes of various genres. I'd have to agree that a lot of hip hop is ignorant and just plain dumb! Now, I've heard some very enlightening songs, which no other genre could come close to. Really wish I would have jotted down the song, because it's now lost to a single experience Overall, I'd have to say you're correct from my point of view.

When I was in highschool I was in a richy suburb. A lot of my friends listened to ignorant hip-hop, that just talked about the same stupid things over and over again. Sipping lean, drinking 40's, gettings hoes, etc..I actually learned to block it out so well, that it took me a while to realize the few hip-hop tracks that we're actually genius! I'd have to say that many of my friends who listened to bad hip-hop ended up in alot more trouble than the ones who listened to rock & roll. This doesn't prove causation, though; just a correlation.

I dare say that it was Racism and Ignorance that gave the beginnings of Hip/Hop.

Go way back in Rap. Like 1986 era. N.W.A. time.

you should refine your OP. "Hip-hop" is not what you think it is.

The mainstream hiphop is NOT hiphop. it is just a money making tool. If you want real lessons and truth find underground hiphop. REAL hiphop. If you think "lil wayne" is real hiphop then you are just as ignorant as the children you speak of in the title.

Atmosphere
Eyedeas and Abilities
Aesop Rock
El-P
Slug
Felt
KRSone
etc
etc

Rap has stupified millions.

o_O - A topic I can really get into. How has it " stupified millions " ? If anything, rap has made me a lot smarter. You've really gotta have -- not only street smarts -- but a brain to understand it. The lyrics are so complex you gotta use your brain through the whole song to absorb it all. That's why I love it. And I can't help but laugh when I hear them rapping about their millions, chains, watches, cars, clothes, ect. I love it.


Maybe it's because I am only 25 and have been listening to rap ever since I was a little kid? I dunno. I find it is the only music I can relate to. There are some really good songs with good messages in them though. T.I. makes a lot of good songs. " Live In The Sky " for example is a really good one. Also, Akon's " Nobody Wanna See Us Together " is another one that is just beautiful.


I absolutely love rap beefs as well - I think that's what makes rap so unique. And i'm not talking about Biggie and 2pac - that's old and played out. I like Nelly and KRS1 beef. Shawty Lo and T.I. Ja Rule and 50 Cent ect.

I don't see why so many people hate on Lil Wayne either; he is a lyrical genius. Rap is just a beautiful genre of music. It takes so much to make a rap song. I find it fascinating how these rappers come up with these unique beats that just blow my mind and not only that but they KILL IT with some complex lyrics and hooks that just mesh together perfectly.

OMG! I LOVE RAP!!!! All I do is bang rap all day and just vibe to the beats and internalize the lyrics. It just makes me a happy person. And like some other guy in this thread said - it is so motivational - especially when you are working out!


'' Say you got a man but your man ain't here; the ice in my ear shine like a chandallere. Jumping out the Phantom; don't you think i'm handsome ? Watch on my wrist cost more than a mansion. Bet your baby daddy ain't icey like the kid be; got your baby momma front seat of the Ferrari! " ~ Gucci Mayne

'' I got a question why they hatin' on me? I got a question why they hatin' on me ? I ain't did nothin to em' but count dis money' And put my team on now my whole clickz stuntin! " ~ Souljah Boy


roflmfao... rap is so great man... don't hate just cause you can't relate...


xoxoxoxo!!

I disagree with the op, as long as a child has Been reared in a loving home, the music he listens to means nothing