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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
Also, I think it would make website owners a little more responsible about the selection of ads they will run.



we won't have much to chose from as most advertisers will not waste money on advertising if they aren't guaranteed their ad will ever be seen. See, that missing cookie means you will only see the same ad over and over.

also, you will need to sign in every time you come to a site.

pain in the butt really




posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Count me in. I am at an awe of words right now. Its sad that the the Government is doing this.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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I would definitely sign a petition to stop this!

Leave it up to anybody who goes on the internet to set up their own "system of security to protect their privacy" on their own computer to protect their privacy if they want to.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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I'm down with supporting this cause. Unfortunately I don't believe it will accomplish anything. Like most petitions and public rallies, they seem to have and impact as far as awareness goes but never seem to mount to anything.

If these guys want things changed, I'm pretty sure they are going to get their way. Regardless of how many people stand up and say it's wrong.

It's only a matter of time before they get what they want. This really got me going.

www.youtube.com...

Statements like these, from people like this only solidify my argument.




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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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I support a petitiion effort, thanks for the heads up, if ATS were to go away I think I would give up the internet, there are not many places to go on the net to get truth anymore.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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what do i need to do to help?

that's not a one liner, its a genuine question



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Count me in.
You have my full support and I will gladly sign this petition.
Long live ATS.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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I cant even believe this topic is up for debate. Of course do it, It's a prudent course of action but please do not lay any hope on it making one iota of a difference in the end. These persons have demonstrated time and time again that public redress is of little concern to them when it is contrary to their agenda.

I would very seriously look into the archaic technology of the BBS, USvideotel for instance for it may be our only hope.

Keep up the good work guys. we are with you no matter what you decide.

www.dailymotion.com...

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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Needless to say I love Top Secret dot Com and its staff and as a proud and participatory member I would assist in any effort to ensure the site’s longevity viability and profitability.

We will need to raise an army (though perhaps hiring XE would be the most expedient and cost effective) and of course a design committee should be formed straight away to start developing the all important uniforms. I favor the color black but I understand that it’s a committee effort and will still participate if the uniforms aren’t black.

Obviously we will need some Aircraft Carriers and thankfully this is timed with Black Friday so we should be able to pick some up cheap the day after Thanksgiving on sale.

We will need some satellites and a secure communications grid. Maybe someone at Groom Lake could help us out on this?

Of course we will need a prison to hold the Congress and Senate once captured, I hear they are starting to transfer people out of Gitmo so maybe we could work something out there.

We will need a nuclear option too to play the mutually assured destruction card to prevent reprisals once we have captured the Congress and Senate.

We should have an officer based training school as well and select a committee to choose the curriculum for an expedited crash course in officer training. I am no military expert but I suggest extra and specific attention be given to training on how not to burn popcorn in microwave ovens!

Of course we will need a propaganda minister to spin a favorable version of events to the general public that might be alarmed or notice we have captured the U.S. Congress, then again America being what it is the public might not notice but we should have a good propaganda minister jut in case.

Finally we will need a headquarters and base of operations preferably someplace warm and tropical with night life and culture to provide the ATS troops with Rest and Relaxation.

I estimate we could have this up and running the House and Senate captured in less than 8 months at a cost of no more than 600 billion dollars!

Margin of error would be minimal with an excellent near 95% chance of success in defeating the bill in this manner.

Now for those of you who think this might be going to far I have excellent intelligence that suggests the U.S. Government is developing weapons of mass destruction!

Of course I would be willing to sign a petition too for those of you who believe in half measures!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Hello, I'm concerned about this Boucher legislation.

ATS is the best independent conspiracy website I ever saw, and I'd do anything from accross the Atlantic to help.

I'm French, member of a US-French association which has the ears of your Secretary of State of Cultural Affairs. Tell me how I can help.

Suppressing the free internet is one more step towards fascism



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea

Don't you people see that you are signing away your freedom to choose?

The proposal states you would have the option to say yes or no on each individual website.

Don't you think you should have that choice?

The proposal is not arbitrarily taking ads away from small websites per government controls. Go back and read the OP again!

Yes -- but given the choice, most people would choose "not" to allow 3rd party cookies, thus effectively killing much of the adverstisements that keeps sites such as ATS free to use.

Most people would choose to opt out without even understanding what they are doing, only because it's the "easy" thing to do.

Yes -- it's a choice, but most internet users probably don't understand that choice. People could choose right now to not allow 3rd party cookies, but that would be disastrous for the advertising revenue of sites like ATS.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Of course, as seemingly unanimous as it appears, my (our) support and collective expression of angst can be counted upon.

The little bug in my ear, however, is whispering that our aggregate voices will have limited effect.

In the end, the PTB and MSM will collude to get what THEY want, regardless of how long, how hard, or how enthusiastically we lowly, unwashed masses scream together...

Nevertheless, scream we will. Scream, we must. There is little else we can do...



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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You have my support. Bring on the petition.

I'm also for a second option if push comes to shove. I'd pay a fee to use this service. That is for another discussion I suppose.

Sadly people tend to be fools where this sort of thing comes into play. The same people who would support this legislation would be the first to yell when all their favorite sites shut down. They live in a fantasy world where everyone but them works for free, they don't pay for anything and they get the fruits of others labor for free. I could see this passing.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Damn sure I will support the petition if I can, while I am not even american.

-v



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Sadly people tend to be fools where this sort of thing comes into play. The same people who would support this legislation would be the first to yell when all their favorite sites shut down. They live in a fantasy world where everyone but them works for free, they don't pay for anything and they get the fruits of others labor for free. I could see this passing.


Like others have said, it really doesn't matter what people say about it, in support or otherwise. The government and their big corporate masters couldn't give a rat's @ss what any of us say, they will do what they have planned regardless. Whenever the people stand up together and the majority are united, the government tells us that we aren't aware of the impact of our choices, and declare those choices null and void.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Let's do it!
Where do I sign?

Even more of a reason to blowout congress

...and to think all this is happening under Obama's watch.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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I support.

I'm not one to particularly get involved in political discussions, but I would surely go mad if I didn't have the freedom that the Internet abundantly provides.

There's also no telling what kind of retaliation the US citizens might throw at the government. On the other hand, could this really stop whatever it is that they aim to stop? I mean, I remember using the simple proxy trick in school so that I could get past the school web-blocking service. Media-pirating is alive and well right now, despite efforts to stop it - things like DVD copy-protection and encryption on mp3s. I know that lots of bands even depend on people downloading their music "illegally" to get their name out.

Save the Internet!!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Anything you need I'm in, this site has given me much more than anyone could imagine, I am willing to give back anything to keep these people from taking even more than they have already.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Additionally I was reading up recently on United States Information and Communications Act and the Cyber Security ACT. looks like Americans are being chipped away at here for their internet ownership and freedom.

They are using a two pronged approach to attack your civil liberties and take away the net from private owners and control your content for users:

1. The guise of cybersecurity to take over your internet
2. The guise of privacy listed in the OP

America has already been sold the idea of 'net neutrality' under the guise of taking away regulation from internet netwrok providers, but really it would just hand control to the US government.

You are being moved to have government regulation and oversite on the internet over a self regulated free market industry, this is not good news Im afraid. And unfortuntly for you guys, the man behind the bill to take control of the internet at any time by the government, none other than a Rockefeller.


“the bill has been redrafted behind closed doors” and goes on to say “Like the original bill, the new version appears to give the President carte blanche to decide which networks and systems, private or public, count as “critical infrastructure information systems or networks.”

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009, a bill by Senators Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Olympia Snowe (R-ME), that sought to give the federal government unprecedented power over the Internet. For months, the bill has been redrafted behind closed doors and has recently been circulated, but by all accounts, the changes are cosmetic and it's sadly more of the same.

And alongside that authority, there still appears to be murky language that would permit the President to shut down the Internet.


www.eff.org...


We all know Rockfeller said in public that internet freedom was the worst thing ever....Im not usually a TPTB panicker, but these two proposed bills really do negate civil liberties, I dont care what they are sold as, though they are selling this as their "civic duty" , see blow:

A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes.

www.govtrack.us...

They are both ways of getting rid of completely or controlling privatly owned businesses on the Net.

The internet is not owned by the US nor its congress. Keep it that way people.




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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Count me in !




.... and blow it out your donkey ,
........... Mr. Boucher !





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