reply to post by Guzzeppi
I agree that the thread is still open, since it has not been conclusively proved as hoax or genuine beyond reasonable doubt.
And I'd really love to see photos and testimony from the neighbour with his "balloons", so that we can indeed put this one to bed.
But I'm a little baffled by your support for a certain other posters' arguments in the thread?
I've looked back over the postings, and I can't really find any "important questions" of his that remain unanswered?
Could you (or they) possibly re-iterate these for me?
What I did find were several attacks on other posters, (including the OP) without any proof or substantial evidence, and a general lack of
credibility, probably from not reading the thread properly before commenting.
I'm finding it kind of hard to understand why someone else would support this type of stance?
For reference, here's a small selection of comments from within the thread, (with my own responses added) to illustrate my point:
"My professional movie critique for movies 1, 2, and 3..
and more crap!"
Maybe, this would have come across as a bit less arrogant and aggressive if it was worded...
"I have looked at the 3 videos, and IMHO, I am not impressed by their quality or validity"?
"Not trying to be rude here by any means. I take it you are on your computer at the home you live with your parents, right?"
Perhaps reading the thread properly would have revealed that Echelon had been at his parents home during the "sighting", but was now 350 miles away
at his own place?
"So your parents live in Mildura and you live in Melbourne.
You called them your neighbors?
Also you stated that your dog was on HIS couch?
You live approxiamately 350 miles away and your parents keep a couch outside for your dog?
You live that far away and so say where your dad usually keeps his camcorder? How would you know that if you don't live there?"
Echelon was brought up there, he lived there for 19 years! So, of course he refers to the neighbours, the house, the dog, the couch etc. as
Doesn't everyone else, whose parents still have the place that you were brought up in, do that?? (I know I do!)
"He talks about his parents house as if he lives there. References to where his dad usually keeps his camcorder, the dog's couch, his neighbors.
I suspect a kid playing games at his parents house to where he allegedly lives.
With all do respect....
I don't think the mentality of people are that much different in Australia.
Keeping furniture solely for animals that don't live anywhere near you is not normal."
Echelon never at any time said that he still lives at his parents. And implying that he is just "a kid playing games" is downright rude and
dis-respectful. He also never said that the couch was used solely for animals (his dog), he simply said "on his couch" to indicate that the dog
often lay there.
"If me not buying into some BS attempt at hoaxing, then I am ignorant and I will wear the title of ignorant.
Wanna know what I really think? Probably not, but I'm going anyway.
The fact that the OP would even think that someone would buy this is real UFO footage in the first place is retarded!
The fact that some of you still believe this may be real footage is retarded .
The fact that some of you critique other members methods of looking for the truth is retarded.
The fact that this thread is still open is retarded.
If none of the above is true, well then that would probably make me retarded.
I mean what the hell is this, an Alcohol Anonymous meeting with all the thank yous to the OP for sharing? Hopefully you all clapped for the OP when he
was done sharing."
Calling the posting of this footage "BS.. hoaxing", without offering ANY credible evidence to back this up, is completely un-warranted and once
again, downright rude. The videos may be hoaxed, (that remains to be proven) but labelling them as such, without even quantifying this statement as
"only an opinion" is just wrong In My Opinion!
Some people DID buy into this footage as being possibly genuine, so even if it is hoaxed, the OP would have been right to think that they would buy in
- Therefore NOT Retarded.
The jury is still out for some people, until the footage is proven one way or the other. It's called having an open mind, and that is surely NOT
Critique of other members methods, is surely at the heart of finding out the truth and denying ignorance? Therefore NOT Retarded.
The thread is still open because some questions remain un-answered. NOT Retarded.
Many of the "Thank yous" were for opening an entertaining thread, and for answering the many questions posted, in a sensible, thorough and
apparently genuine manner, whilst ignoring much baiting and criticism. Comparing that to an AA meeting with sneering ridicule is neither helpful nor
warranted, and shows a complete lack of sensitivity with regards to all of the posters here, and indeed to those individuals unfortunate enough to be
afflicted with Alcoholism.
"He figured out the phone # of his parents neighbors (or his neighbors as he calls it) real quick living approx 350 miles away.
How convenient! Probably just remembered the phone number because they we so close friends!"
Picture the scene... he calls directory enquiries and asks for the number of Mr Neighbour, Vine House, Vinyard Road...
Yeah, that's "convenient" and definitely reeks of suspicion!! He couldn't possibly have done that (or just asked his dad!!) from 350 miles away?
(Sarcasm, on this occasion, fully intended! as a response to the sarcastic nature of the original post!)
"You critique other members non stop. All you do is complain how people analyze things and try to come up with words that are not common to make
yourself look smarter than you are.
You seem as though we need to come to you for awards of the honor of detective, psychologist, and so on."
This statement was directed at another poster, "Mckyle" who has complemented several posters for their contributions, during this thread (and
others), so NO he does not just "complain" or "critique other members non stop".
Nor does he ask for others to come to him for awards etc. Again, statements like these are unfounded, untrue, antagonistic and just plain rude.
I am not "having a go" at anyone here.
I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that through these debates and listening to the arguments of others is how we get
to the truth behind much of the subject matter behind these threads.
I was just a bit surprised at the showing of public support for a series of posts which, to me, came across as lacking in respect, thoughfulness and
It is my opinion that posts which serve no purpose, other than to ridicule or discredit other posters, without providing anything in the way of actual
evidence, and without quantifying the post as being "only an opinion", have a detrimental effect on the purpose of these threads (and indeed the ATS
site itself) which is finding the truth, through denying ignorance.
Put simply, it derails the thread.
If anyone would like to discuss these points, please feel free to U2U me, as I honestly do not wish to further derail this thread!