Big-Phama : The most immoral of them all., page 1
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Topic started on 24-11-2009 @ 04:29 PM by kiwifoot
Hi ATS, I hope you can stay with me and add your comments too!

I was reading up on the people making money from the Swine Flu Pandemic, top of the list were the drug companies. Corporations like Gilead, Roche, GSK and Baxter were all given dishonourable mentions (with distinction!).

Stirring in the recesses of my head was the notion that free enterprise and capitalism are good, necessary and desired. Someone has to profit. No profit no investment, no investment no research and development, no R&D no new technologies or advances in science. Advances that make our lives a better place.

Well documented and researched is the take over of government and infiltration of policy makers by Big Corporation. Wall Street, Big Oil and others have exerted pressure on the democratic process, lobbying has put the concerns of the business world before the concerns of the population of the world.

All widely documented, nothing new there.

In my eyes, Swine Flu has raised the stakes a touch. I can understand oil companies stifling new technologies that don't require fossil fuels. When the GM bailout was completed, along with the TARP program there was a real need for those measures. However unfair the bailout seemed, it was understandable. However Swine Flu is different.

From the outset this Pandemic has struck a chord with the more enlightened and less easily fooled members of ATS. When it first appeared in Mexico we believed it was a contrived situation. When the Media began to report the gradual spread of the disease we highlighted the panic caused by fanning the flames of fear and dread. We noted reports of huge predicted (not just projected) profits from Big-Pharma and confirmation of immunity for the companies if their vaccines caused injury or death. We noted as the Vaccine was rushed through to deal with a perceived threat pushed down our throats by the main stream media, themselves raking in huge profits from this influenza catastrophe.

Flash forward to the current situation, we find glaringly different reports from Eastern Europe and the USA on the emergence of haemorrhagic flu, of lungs black with blood and the spraying of helpless populations with goodness knows what!

I think that they have gone too far this time. To make huge profits, I mean billions of dollars from a preplanned and intentional disease is as grotesque as the concentration camps of the Third Reich. As sickening as Dr Josef Mengele performing his twisted Eugenics and "science" experiments on the unfortunate people he tortured. To profit from the death and suffering of another living being through a disease that they are responsible for is quite frankly, beyond comprehension.

I don't believe that Big-Pharma and our government has released this pandemic to kill us off, no it is afar more sinister and disgusting conpsiracy. I believe that it is a money making exercise, am enterprise in profit dreamt up by those with one foot in the boardrooms of the these massive corporations and the other encamped in the halls of World Governments.

Big-Pharma has proved that combining the sick with business is an immoral and hideous marriage. One that can only spell suffering for the innocents of this planet. I hope that in the future, we as a species are enlightened enough to divorce profit from disease, rendering these captains of industry (but pirates of humankind) irrelevant, as surely as their dark souls are.

Peace to you all ATS....

Sources:
Opinion: Could Swine Flu be a money-making conspiracy?
Who is making a profit from swine flu?
ATS


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 05:14 PM by Moonsouljah
reply to post by reasonable


Good point. I think with Big-Pharm, Big-Ag, etc and the new ClimateGate scandal we're seeing more and more how much a company or researcher(s) can pervert science to their advantage. And as a humanity, we should maybe start addressing this.
But yes pills can be very nice.


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 05:20 PM by Truzzyx
reply to post by reasonable



Yea, there ok, but why does it cost them 25 cents to make a pill, and they turn around and sell it for 400 dollars.


My 1 month prescription to Lamaictal for my epilepsy, is 400 DOLLARS A MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 05:35 PM by HotSauce
reply to post by Truzzyx



Because research and drug approval costs 100s of millions to billions.



reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 06:01 PM by kiwifoot
reply to post by YouAreDreaming



I agree with you, I think with this Swine flu they have oversteped the mark, but like some criminals, once the line has been crossed it's easier to do it again - and the crime escalates!

Goodness knows what they could do next!


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 06:33 PM by kiwifoot
reply to post by dodadoom



Cheers, the way I see it is that the vast percentage of drugs and treatments are derived from chemicals or processes found in the natural world.

They want you to think that they are the only ones that can help, but the truth is in their big labs they have scientists taking ideas from mother nature and synthesizing the same chemicals!


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 06:50 PM by dodadoom
reply to post by kiwifoot



The most disgusting part about it is, its all about the money,
and not about better health!
They dont want you completely better, for it takes away the repeat business!
There is a reason it's called the health care INDUSTRY.
Great stuff Kiwi as always!



reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 10:23 PM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by kiwifoot
Big-Pharma has proved that combining the sick with business is an immoral and hideous marriage. One that can only spell suffering for the innocents of this planet.

Amen! Mammon (the god of wealth & greed) is a jealous god, one that demands human sacrifice; Take note that many people will have to die before the living fear the disease so much as to hand over their money, just to survive.

I don't consider myself any kind of preacher (because I disdain ORGANIZED religions), but some religious tenants do hold truth if you know how to see it. Such as the proverb, "Love of money is the root of all evil." It's not to say that money & wealth itself is evil...Evil comes when someone loves money more than loving his/her fellow human beings.

Originally posted by thumper666
Personally, I reject pharmaceuticals when Doctor's try to push them on me and ask about natural remedies. You can guess how well that goes over.

I don't have to guess, brother (Or would that be "sister?" It's hard to tell on the internet). The best reply I got from the doctor is to seek out an herbalist; But the doctor couldn't even give me any specific recommendations for an Herbalist. Also, guess what is NOT covered under insurance plans?
Originally posted by kiwifoot
I once had a chat with a doctor who told me that in Private, GPs were quite for homoeopathic remedies, but the Health Services (Government) imposed strict penalties on Drs that push for their use.

That's "hitting the nail on the thumb." I reserve my twisting of the common phrase for describing the painfully obvious...
Guess from where originates the pressure on the government to levy such penalties on doctors?...You guessed it! Big Pharma! There are a few retired doctors who have written books about the benefits of natural cures & remedies, if you care to look for such books. Just
Scroogle for "natural cures," "natural remedies" & "homeopathic medicine" (Scroogle uses Google search, but sloughs off the cookies that Google would put on your computer for their data-mining). Those doctor-authors retired before publishing those books because the government would have slapped their wrists hard, if they had written those books while still engaging in an active medical practice.

Originally posted by reasonable
not all big pharma is bad.. speaking from experience try having a herniated disc in your back and experience pain so intense you feel blood is going to start pouring from your eyes and you become suicidal. Then take some diazepam and codeine and feel no pain.. it then allows you to engage in physio as a more natural solution.

I do agree that pharma can be good...If used for a specific purpose & applied in a responsible manner. But far too often, what could be good winds up twisted when the path of greed is walked. Just like the phrase, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people" states that every person must be responsible for the actions they take, Big Pharma should also heed that same responsibility for their own actions.

Originally posted by Moonsouljah
I fully agree. Given current events what I find absolutely hilarious is the lemmings who have yet to embrace the notion that their governments might not be all that benevolent.

The US Founding Forefathers had it right when they described "government" as a necessary evil; "Necessary" because people need an organization to help manage certain day-to-day duties, such as defense from invasion, conducting trade with foreign nations & the enforcement/arbitration of Just Law when people have a beef between each other; "Evil" because the Founding Forefathers were well-educated & knew that history has proven time & time again that governments will always seek to turn against the people by growing too large & ursurping control over everything.

For a good example, most US Government Officers spout out rhetoric about "upholding Democracy" & "the spread of Democracy"...But all along, they act in Breech of Oath of Office under the Constitution because it tells them that they must guarantee a Republican form of government! Refer to Article 4, Section 4
By that Breech of Oath, the Law states that they have instantly self-revoked all Powers & Authorities granted to their Office; After that first Actin in Breech of Oath, anything they continue to do or say in the name of that Office is a Crime & they have become nothing less than imposters to Lawfully Elected/Appointed Government Officials. So, speaking earlier about how Big Pharma should take heed of the responsibility for their actions, it seems the government should be doing the same.

Thomas Jefferson has been quoted to say, "Of all my study of history, most bad government is the result of too big of a government."


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 05:28 AM by kiwifoot
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer



I appreciate your reply MDS.

The last segment does however leave the US in a bit of a quandary. We all agree that the combination of profit and health is not the most desired situation, but from your reply (which I agree with ) a bloated government is also not the way to go!

So giving the current situation in the US with health care reform, how do you see it?

If you were POTUS for the next 4 years, which way would you go?

Is it a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation?

All the best mate, Kiwifoot!


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 06:28 AM by StrangeBrew
reply to post by kiwifoot



Great points.

There are definitely profit motivations that have been in play well before any swine flu 'pandemic' appeared on the scene. And I agree with you in that the level of disregard is at an all time high.

I've put up this video to demonstrate the lengths to which it's now gone. In my opinion these disease incentives will spell disaster.

www.disclose.tv...
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