From the Urban Dictionary: TROLLING
When done to uptight people such as fundies, this can result in hilarity
Trolling is the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet, generally on message boards. When done in a moderated internet
community, this can result in banning. When done to uptight people such as fundies, this can result in hilarity.
So. *taps on desk*
Trolling is purposefully antagonizing people, and when directed at Christian fundamentalists it is particularly
Hmmm. That doesn't describe anyone on this thread, does it?
These arguments have ceased to be arguments. These threads have become the equivalent of running up to small children and telling them there is no
Santa Claus then calling them stupid for believing in him.
If you don't believe in God at all, or the "Christian God" then the hours spent arguing the lack of existence of this "Easter Bunny-Tooth
Fairy-Santa Claus" type myth makes zero logical sense, thus is it an "emotional" issue for you.
I conclude that the only reason why you would argue it is because you are trolling
for a fight.
To prevent Christians from taking over the world?
I've heard this argument and in the full context of society I find it false. You can get condoms and birth control in the high schools, evolution is
taught instead of creationism in 99% of our schools, the kids can't have "Christmas Parties" only Winter parties, and any creches in front of
public buildings are taken down. 99% of the graduations go by without prayers and even the stores mostly say "Happy Holidays". The public schools
that even attempt to do anything remotely religious outside of study it as a religion among other religions get injunctions slapped on them.
If you are going to go back in history to justify the passionate dislike that promotes threads like this, then you ought to use that brilliance many
of you claim to have and look at the historical context (wars, land grabs, consolidating power, etc) you might try to fire up those brain cells enough
to figure out like a good Sherlock ALL of the reasons these things happened. Do you honestly think people wouldn't try to steal land or riches
without Christianity? Dig deep, lose the veil of Western Culture and look at world history before you make that argument.
Was Stalin a Christian? Did Christianity motivate him to kill millions of his own people? No. Was it "Marxism"? No. It was a thirst for power.
Marxism was just used to justify it. Any intelligent person would realize that.
Did Rome conquer all the surrounding nations because their gods told them to? No, they amassed a great deal of wealth and influence. Things humans
in general, atheist or religious, historically seem to like.
You are all intelligent people--well, most of you. You are choosing to hyper focus on this subject without putting things into context.
Moocow, you talked of the torture of millions who wouldn't believe and why you never want to see this happen again. Have you looked to Darfur?
It's happening now, genocide. What are you doing about that?
But you have a point. The church did hideous things.
According to Jewish Historian Steven Katz, the Medieval Inquisition:
"in its entirety, the thirteenth and fourteenth century Inquisition put very few people to death and sent few people to prison; 90 percent of its
sentences were canonical penances" (The Holocaust in Historical Context, 1994).
He estimates that 2,000 people were killed.
The Spanish Inquisition estimates that between (secular estimates) 3,000 and 5,000 or (Catholic estimates) 2,500.
Total investigations recorded 125,000 persons. How many "burnt in effigy"? 32,000.
Burnt in effigy literally meant to have wooden statues/dolls made and thrown on a fire. People may perceive this as real people, but it is not. I
will get to that in a moment.
According to (Jewish and Secular scholars), the arguments by Martha Henry were exaggerated grossly (9 million). The Holocaust History organization
funded research and that research estimated that the majority of persons killed during the inquisition were Jewish (see above numbers). They located
records from counties, churches, and governments. According to them the English government records show that 1800 women were brought to trial by
James I and 1000 executed (mostly by hanging, not by burning).
Salem Witch Trials: 19 hanged, 1 pressed to death, 13 died in prison.
Now, Christian individuals can absolutely be blamed for decimating the native populations of the Americas, but this cannot be laid at the feet of
Christianity because they didn't kill them or convert them. They killed them because they wanted their land.
I would go into the crusades but they were a war and both sides had much respect for each other. King Richard and Saladin much respected each other.
Everyone in these wars chose to fight in them, so...
By this I am not trying to make light of what happened. The persecutions were unjustifiable! Absolutely. It is hideous and a blotch upon
Christianity for all times. I am just putting it into perspective because I think perspective is lost.
How does this compare to atheists?
Stalin believed that the revolution was ongoing and felt that purging his population of dissenters was necessary to create the perfect Soviet State.
How many died, I wonder? I go with the leanest estimate of those that died directly versus died in prison. 2 million.
What about other communist regimes?
2 million N Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in Vietnam
1 million in eastern europe
I won't go into China, nor will I talk about Hitler who, yes, wasn't a Christian and believed in his own religion
Lemme see...I covered murder...what's next that ONLY Christians do....? That's right. Only Christians molest children.
Clergy abuse...using the maximum estimates (I doubled the maximum reported cases figuring this was safe as some priests were accused more than once
therefore I am over estimating numbers) 4% of the Catholic Clergy were pedophiles. I cross checked this number and found in the "Registered
Offenders List" this quote:
Four percent of the population suffers from sexual orientation toward children. In 1999, 93,000 kids were sexually abused. 50% of the abusers
were parents of the children. 18% were relatives. This means that almost 70% of children were molested by family members, fathers, uncles, and
grandfathers – males they trusted.
So it is keeping with the percentages of the general population.
My point to all of this is that the "reasons" for why Christians absolutely must be trolled by their fellow posters is because Christianity is so
"evil". I won't continue to make my argument which always falls on deaf ears that a religion doesn't do anything, people do this stuff. I will
just say put it into perspective. Look at your own life, look at the world around you and think.
Do your fellow posters really deserve to be trolled? Are the Christians the only examples of thought police you can think of? You don't think that
every person with a dime to spend on commercials tries to tell you what to think?
All people do crappy things. But we all do good things, too. Please put things into perspective before trying to annoy the crap out of your fellow