Who created God? The silliest question I ever heard, page 1
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reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 01:27 PM by Blueracer
reply to post by andy1033



"Yep, like it says in the bible, its a perverse world that wants miracles, to prove that god exists."

Where does it say that in the bible? If you're going to quote the bible, at least tell us where you are quoting from so we can look it up ourselves for verification.


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 02:06 PM by Sk8rDude7
reply to post by Matrix Rising



In my search for knowledge and wisdom, I've come to know that the words LIFE and GOD are interchangeable. They are the same thing. We are the Creator and The Created, Individually expressed creations of the original creator, we are the Sum of God expressed, and as well, the sons and daughters of God.

-Now replace all the instances of the word 'GOD' with the word 'LIFE' in these last couple sentences and see how reading it feels now...

This has been a test of your awareness, A challenge to step outside your normalcy of thinking and go beyond what you think you know about Life and God and listen to or be lead within, lead into your inner wisdom. With such a path you will find answers, you will find the way to what you desire. Listen to The LIFE / GOD / GODDESS Within You, Listen carefully my friends.

[edit on 24-11-2009 by Sk8rDude7]


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 02:21 PM by ImplausibleDeniability
Originally posted by Sk8rDude7
In my search for knowledge and wisdom, I've come to know that the words LIFE and GOD are interchangeable. They are the same thing. We are the Creator and The Created,
[edit on 24-11-2009 by Sk8rDude7]


Here's the problem...in the eyes of the Orthodox you just committed a mortal sin by saying that.

The force of creation in the universe being embodied by the life it creates...that's awesome. I LOVE THAT! I believe that!

But 'God'? That's a human construct. It's evident even in the descriptions given by folk in this thread....

Originally posted by andy1033
Yep, like it says in the bible, its a perverse world that wants miracles, to prove that god exists.


If there is no proof of God, how can you claim to know what God is? If God is not knowable, then anything you think you know is by definition incorrect, i.e. a human creation.

Originally posted by alpha-erectus
An infinite being would need no creator. Just the same as an infinite being would have no need of a creation.


Infinity is a concept outside of human knowledge. Saying that a thing is infinite is the same as saying 'I do not and cannot understand' that thing.

So if God is infinite and unknowable what's the point? Why even bother with the concept of something you can't conceive of? Any conception you have must therefore be a human creation.

Fact is you don't know if someone created God. You just know what someone else told you about the subject, right?

Or is every other religion than one's own completely wrong about everything it believes as strongly as you do?

It's a mindbending conversation. I'm pretty sure I just confused myself!



reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 02:50 PM by IconoclasticTalamasca
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
I was recently asked this question again by a young athiest. He was beaming with confidence when he asked the question and I had to take the wind out of his sail.

The question pressuposes that I believe in a God that was created. It makes no sense to debate a created god that I don't believe in.

You have the atheist defining god when they claim they don't believe in God and then they are asking you to debate a created god that you don't believe in.

I think the atheist needs to come up with a new line of questioning.

The look on his face when I explained this to him went from pride to confusion.



This atheist kid just came up to you out of the blue and asked you who created your god, without knowing if you even believed in one? I would say that he was not only rude, but ignorant as well.


Being an atheist, the situation usually plays out very differently. Somehow they start talking about religion to me and I say that I don't follow any religion. They say that I should believe because yadda yadda yadda.

I say that is good for them but I have no proof that a god exists. They then start talking about who created the trees, the birds, and myself. I then ask who, hypothetically, created their god. They say no one and he does not need a creator. I say..using the same logic, neither do I. It cannot be proven either way.

So perhaps if some theists come up with a better argument and stop using circular logic, we would not have to keep telling them the same thing.

I honestly believe that no new argument should be introduced until the one on the table is settled. If that means leaving the conversation at " Either your god and I both have a creator or neither of us do". After that is setttled, we will move on to the next bullet point.

I must say, most theists cannot get past this point without rebuking me or trying to switch to another argument.

I think it is a pretty valid point.


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 03:33 PM by Amatheus
reply to post by Matrix Rising



So, I'm not sure if you were conversing with this young atheist or if he/she just asked you out of the blue, which would be kinda weird.

I suppose I define myself as an agnostic atheist when it comes to the subject. I require some sort of evidence before I believe anything, especially something as substantial as the existence of a god. With my conversations with theists (usually Christians) they offer the Bible as evidence which I do not consider to be convincing evidence at all.

At some point, the conversation usually turns to them asking me how I believe the universe came into being. The big bang theory is what makes the most sense to me based on the evidence so far but I am open to other possibilities as the evidence comes to light. Maybe the universe is just infinite or whatever it may be.. I'm alright with not having a definite answer. Just making one up or taking the word of a certain authority and believing that's how it happened does not do anything for me.

Usually the response I get is that someone must have created the universe as things just don't come into existence from nowhere; and therefore God is the one who did the creating. This obviously causes some problems because you then infinitely regress into who created God who created them etc.. If they believe that God doesn't need a creator then why do they have a problem with a universe that doesn't need a creator.

This is just my experience with the subject and maybe this was the mindset the young atheist was coming from when he/she asked you the question.


reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 03:38 PM by Matrix Rising
Originally posted by IconoclasticTalamasca
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
I was recently asked this question again by a young athiest. He was beaming with confidence when he asked the question and I had to take the wind out of his sail.

The question pressuposes that I believe in a God that was created. It makes no sense to debate a created god that I don't believe in.

You have the atheist defining god when they claim they don't believe in God and then they are asking you to debate a created god that you don't believe in.

I think the atheist needs to come up with a new line of questioning.

The look on his face when I explained this to him went from pride to confusion.



This atheist kid just came up to you out of the blue and asked you who created your god, without knowing if you even believed in one? I would say that he was not only rude, but ignorant as well.


Being an atheist, the situation usually plays out very differently. Somehow they start talking about religion to me and I say that I don't follow any religion. They say that I should believe because yadda yadda yadda.

I say that is good for them but I have no proof that a god exists. They then start talking about who created the trees, the birds, and myself. I then ask who, hypothetically, created their god. They say no one and he does not need a creator. I say..using the same logic, neither do I. It cannot be proven either way.

So perhaps if some theists come up with a better argument and stop using circular logic, we would not have to keep telling them the same thing.

I honestly believe that no new argument should be introduced until the one on the table is settled. If that means leaving the conversation at " Either your god and I both have a creator or neither of us do". After that is setttled, we will move on to the next bullet point.

I must say, most theists cannot get past this point without rebuking me or trying to switch to another argument.

I think it is a pretty valid point.


First, it was a debate that occured over a younger cousins house. We talked about many things and then religion came up. When I expressed my beliefs the athiest thought I was cornered with the question,"who created god?"

Again, this is a silly question.

Your atheism does not define my God. You can't ask me who created god, when I don't believe in a God that was created.

Who's belief are you debating? Who's God are you debating if you don't believe in God?

Atheist try to debate against the existence of a created god that they define. This is illogical seeing that they don't believe in God. It's a strawman argument.
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