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Originally posted by Dave157
reply to post by DoomsdayRex
so you attack the poster and don't even mention the thread topic? kk.
i mean some people on this site are so full of themselves with their E-rep.
i really think there is a legitimate possibility that many complex and interesting crop circles are not man made in any way.
although there obviously are crop circle hoaxers out there.
but i understand the thread starters perspective, that a lot of skeptics will argue that all crop circles are fake, because some are fake.
that is so wrong, i mean when you searching for truth, you never leave out any possibility because that's how unexpected life is.
I do hope some of the arrogant, narrow-minded people in this world, just accept the possibilities. if we can't do that, we can never advance.
Originally posted by Aggie Man
I think the evidence comes in the form of that we know for certain that some crop circles are man made. Given that option as a possible source of crop circles that are of unknown origin vs. the supernatural or other worldly creators, then one must assume that the most likely candidate for the unknown crop circles is also of man made origin.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
It's not a leap of logic when you say alien visitation is the most likely source for mass sightings, eyewitness accounts, traceevidence, radar reports, videos, pictures and more.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Not a leap of logic. There's eyewitness accounts from police, pilots and more, mass sighting, alien abductions, trace evidence radar reports and more.
Do you have any evidence against extraterrestrial visitation? Do you have any evidence that shows all these people are lying or stupid? If not, how is this a leap of logic?
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
reply to post by Aggie Man
We can't assume that especially in light of the peer reviewed paper and the physics behind it.
Give me the evidence that these crop circle makers are also microwaving the nodes of corn symmetrically as they make these crop circles.
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
It's not a leap of logic when you say alien visitation is the most likely source for mass sightings, eyewitness accounts, traceevidence, radar reports, videos, pictures and more.
We disagree. The evidence still requires interpretation. Your interpretation results in an answer involving alien visitation as a settled argument. Mine doesn't.
The experimental data published in Levengood and Talbott (1999) suggest that pulvinus length expansion in crop circles is a thermo-mechanic effect, possibly induced by a kind of electromagnetic point source.
In the year 1999, William Levengood and Nancy Talbott published a scientific paper [1] that contained a study to the node lengthening effect in three different crop circles, two in England and one in the USA. The authors presented a ‘quantitative analysis’; in other words, the article tried to explain the AMOUNT of node lengthening throughout the crop circle, by means of physical models. The authors concluded that the heat (that had made the nodes swell) was electromagnetic in origin. One year later, I contributed a paper reacting to the one by Levengood and Talbott. This article appeared early 2001 [2]. The paper reinterpreted the data published by Levengood and Talbott and showed that the node lengthening as measured in all three crop circles could be perfectly explained by assuming that a ‘ball of light’ had caused the node swelling effect. An identical analysis performed on a famous man-made formation (Dreischor, Holland, 1997) did not show these characteristics at all. My statements can be interpreted as follows: Imagine a dark room with one single light bulb hanging on the ceiling. If you switch on the light, you will notice that right below the light bulb the light intensity on the floor will be brightest. Towards the edges of the room, the floor will gradually become darker. This light distribution on the floor is well understood, and can be described with high accuracy. The exact light distribution on the floor depends on the HEIGHT of the light bulb. When the light bulb is hanging very low, almost touching the floor, the floor underneath the light bulb will be very bright, but the intensity will rapidly become less as you move away from it (see Figure 3, left). When the light is hanging high on the ceiling, however, the light intensity underneath the light will be much less and be more evenly distributed over the floor (see Figure 3, right). Because this mechanism is so well known, one can actually derive the height of the light bulb after measuring the light distribution on the floor.
The yellow bars indicate the average node length measured at seven different locations across the crop circle, from one edge (position b1), through the centre (a4), to the opposite edge (b7). Note the perfect symmetry, which is remarkable! Similar graphs were obtained from two different cross sections through the circle, revealing a perfect circular symmetry: long nodes towards the centre of the circle, shorter nodes towards the edges. The thick, continuous, blueish line represents the theoretical value of the node length across the circle, if it were caused by a ball of light at a height of 4 meters and 10 centimetres. (This height corresponded to the estimate of the eyewitness). Just like the three crop circles analysed by Levengood and Talbott, the theoretical values for the node length (blue line) correspond perfectly to the measurements (yellow bars). Consequently, the circumstantial evidence left in the fields was in perfect agreement with the words of the eyewitness: the crop circle was indeed created with the involvement of a "ball of light".
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Matrix Rising
Please provide the part of the paper which says microwave radiation is the only possible explanation for the effects described on the nodes.
Although there are known biological effects that can create node lengthening, these could be easily ruled out. It was clear that something else had happened. The effect could be simulated by placing normal, healthy stems inside a microwave oven. The heat induced by the microwaves made the liquids inside the nodes expand, just like the mercury inside a thermometer. This caused the nodes to increase in length, while the amount of lengthening increased proportionally to the amount of microwave energy that was generated.