Yeah, I've read all of the above!
Makes for some interesting brain-chewing...!

Ehh..I don't think it really matters where or how you come across the text, it's about the content and for me, the Judas and Mary texts definitey helped to expand my consciousness.

Much love...

I don't think Judas was actually trying to help Jesus out. The man sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, so anything he supposedly written (which he didn't) is meaningless to the Gospel.

For a moment just consider that Jesus was on a path of purification as a real human. He searched for understanding throughout his life and knew that his own kind would stand against him because his understandings didnt agree with his own kind and their ways.

So after a while....he could see that they were going to want him dead and killed for things such as blasphemy, not keeping the laws, and interrupting their selling of animals for sacrifices at the temple. Image what it would be like, what mind set you would have, if you knew eventually people would kill you, and in the mean time, you have to stay RIGHTEOUS, unblemished. After a while, I think Jesus would become ready in HIS own time to offer his life of flesh for the ones who wanted blood shed. If Jesus was living for the spiritual life and not this life....he could of very well decided to go to another soul he trusted and tell them....it is time, make it so.

Instead of just waiting around, and then being prepared according to when the people were ready to shed his blood, he knew it was going to happen, he knew the path he walked would end with them wanting him dead.

I could totally see someone with this mindset that brings change and uses their very life of flesh to do this....in the end, be the one that decided when the time was right.

For the OP....I can agree that a co-creator is the higher self over the material world here. God is what fills and fattens it with the Holy Spirit of Life. Yahweh and Saklas are pretty close one in the same in my book. Neither being God, the Holy One and Supreme One over all things.

I must confess that I have not read the gospel of Judas, and skipped a fair part of this thread, however, as soon as I saw the title a thought came to mind which could be quite interesting from a naive perspective.

Firstly, we must assume that we believe the content of these texts as truths.

Now if we look at the book of Genesis.. written much earlier by the Jewish people, these are 'stories' which have most probably been passed down countless generations and whilst could bare the truth, are likely to be quite removed in my opinion.

** Ive actually just read a book by Andrew Collins called Gods of Eden. In it he claims the Egyptian king Akhenaten (a somewhat heretic king) forced from Egypt for his monotheistic beliefs (stemming from a much older civilisation) was none other than Moses, and formed a new religion away from Egypt, the Jews.
What I find most interesting about this is that, if true, then the stories which our holy texts are based are derived from a great ancient civilisation that, to this day, maintains so much mystery and controversy.**

Anyway, back the the original point, remember we are still assuming we believe everything in these texts. Regarding the gospel of Judas, written by either the disciple of Jesus, or his own followers, These are stories which are clearly based upon the orignal Jewish stories, yet would somebody so close to the son of God be more in the know, I would have to say of course he would.
So this could be a more truer picture of what actually 'happened'. Like I said, I have not read it, but perhaps there are reasons why it was chosen not to be included in the bible (aside from the fact it was Judas).



Obviously, these points are slightly focused towards my own opinions of how our history has panned out, but I hope they may be of interest to somebody. If not, then oh well.

I would just like to add this for interest sake-

When Jesus observed their lack of [understanding, he said] to them, “Why has this agitation led you to anger? Your god who is within you and […] [35] have provoked you to anger [within] your souls. [Let] any one of you who is [strong enough] among human beings bring out the perfect human and stand before my face.” They all said, “We have the strength.” But their spirits did not dare to stand before [him], except for Judas Iscariot. He was able to stand before him, but he could not look him in the eyes, and he turned his face away.

Judas [said] to him, “I know who you are and where you have come from. You are from the immortal realm of Barbelo. And I am not worthy to utter the name of the one who has sent you.”

JESUS SPEAKS TO JUDAS PRIVATELY
Knowing that Judas was reflecting upon something that was exalted, Jesus said to him, “Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal. [36] For someone else will replace you, in order that the twelve [disciples] may again come to completion with their god.” Judas said to him, “When will you tell me these things, and [when] will the great day of light dawn for the generation?”

Let me know if you want more.

[edit on 06/10/2009 by jinx880101]

I saw someone point out the Gospel of Mary, another that you may be interested in checking out is the Gospel of Thomas.

If there was any truth to the gospel of Judus I would say Saklas was the master worker of God who had a legion of angels assigned to him for the creation of earth's life forms. None of the angels were named in the bible till way later.

I believe the creator had angelic involvement during the creative periods, where he got input on how things should look. Adam got to name the animals. It seems fitting enough that they took part in the designing process. God can take credit because he provided the material and knowledge to make the physical universe. It's just like a wealthy contractor who plans to have a skyscraper built. It would be understood that the contractor built the skyscraper, even though he did not literally build it himself.

It is my oppinion that Satan, or whatever his real name was (possibly Ba-el), designed the serpent family. The serpent family that had four limbs in the beginning, before they were cursed. (Ever seen a male python's lower talons?)

So people want a book by Judus who betrayed Jesus and people here are siding with him? So if he was consumed by the devil we should take his word for it now? It just shows how messed up people are who rather believe the lie.

Galatians 1

No Other Gospel

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

The New Testaments are all bind by the Holy Spirit, all those who wrote it had some power that God gave them and had to be spiritually inspired, so to sort out the problem if someone had that spirit and he felt he had to refuse some other Gospels and writings then it was because the spirit refused to acknowledge it otherwise they would have added to it. If Judas in the end was corrupting in the spirit of the Devil then it had to be excluded.

Just a theory;
On a deeper note maybe Jesus rewrote history like some kind of time displacement, where one timeline never happened but sort of did and was extinguished before the Devil and his Angels got to it like the beginning is just as accessible as the end of time in heaven.

Because sometimes the Devil works backwards and plants time bomb traps that leave remnants but they do not grow into that timeline, the Jesus and the Cross puts a stop to that which leaves either a story that could have happened with a story that did not. It is quite deep and would like to make a thread about this theory.



[edit on 1-12-2009 by The time lord]