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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
That's until you look at the PNAC documents and take those into account:
From the "Statement of Principles":
1) Increase an already enormous military budget at the expense of domestic social programs
2) Toppling of regimes resistant to our corporate interests
3) Forcing democracy at the barrel of a gun in regions that have no history of the democratic process
4) Replacing the UN’s role of preserving and extending international order
And all of which wouldn't be possible without:
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor"
And 9/11 was that new Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Yes, it is easy to find fault. But it is to Alex I owe thanks for turning me on the the NWO and related issues. It has reawakened me from political apathy, and reignited my passion to fight for a better world, in my own small way.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
...and people here actually still argue when I say all this conspiracy rubbish is coming entirely from these damned fool conspiracy web sites
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
You rerally are expert at hearing only what you want to hear, Reway. Nowhere have I said I supported the plan.
Originally posted by Rewey
Hmmm... I take it that you don't think that Cubans are 'innocent people'?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
...but it was designed to NOT get any innocent people killed.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
I am pointing out that the plan specifically avoided targetting American civilians... How does this supposedly prove the gov't is heartless enough to deliberately murder thousands of citizens?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Then, there's the other, OTHER incredibly phony thing- Northwoods was clearly a goal driven event, as everything was meant to advance one purpose-to make Cuba look like they're the aggressors. These 9/11 conspiracy stories on the other hand are the most NON goal driven event operation I've ever heard...
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
That's because you don't know what you're talking about. This will be the third or fourth time I've had to tell you this while you spread your opinionated disinformation around:
Besides, you are a member of and participate in one of these "damned fool conspiracy websites". Hypocrite much?
Give it up, Dave. You're in a no-win situation here.
Originally posted by Rewey
I did NOT say that you supported Northwoods one way or another. I'm just responding to your claim that it was designed to NOT get innocent people killed by pointing out that the text from Northwoods requires sinking a boatload of Cuban refugees, REAL OR SIMULATED.
You know as well as I do about the US involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq - we've talked about this at length. The MASSIVE carrots being dangled in order to invade Afghanistan alone made it one heck of a 'goal driven event', as you call it...
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Or, check out this interview with former senator Norman Dodd, who worked with the Reese committee, which was a senate investigation into the activities on not for profit foundation such as the Carnegie Foundation, which to repeat a theme, openly spoke of dissolving America's national sovereignty in the effort to form a global government...and their effort to use war as a catalyst for said change.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
go log onto the "Loose Change" discussion board and start discussing all the flaws in their flick, and see how long it takes you to get banned. For me, it was three weeks.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
the plan was thrown away and the guy who came up with the idea was sacked
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
I'm there every day. You must've broken forum rules to get yourself banned because they don't go around banning people just because of a little criticism.
All of the leaders of our military signed off on a plan for a false-flag operation back then. Just because the SecDef or the President didn't approve of it, what the hell makes you think our military would never concoct another false-flag operation again with the right president and SecDef in power? You know, like the war-hungry Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Because I'm pretty sure we would all agree that Operation Northwoods would be illegal. Something along the lines of mass fraud and potentially murder of foreigners?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Yes, of course it's illegal. It's likewise the case that anyone who knowingly cooperates with such an operation are criminals.
Namely, whoever they lined up to actually plant those controlled demolitions in the WTC, becuase, let's face it, they'd have to be a bunch of hard core, dumb as a fence post idiots to NOT understand that sneaking in undercover and planting secret controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a lot of people killed, regardless of who told them to do it or why.
This "compartmentalization of information" excuse being used to justify these conspiracy stories only go so far.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Exactly how much power and control over all aspects of government, including intelligence agencies and military operations, do you think a president has?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
sneaking in undercover and planting secret controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a lot of people killed, regardless of who told them to do it or why.