The secrets of DNA finally unlocked!

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Come on people, Ur still "in the Box" here! Step Outside & consider this: Freq., DNA, Color Spectrum..."Other Parallel Dimensions (Angelic/Demonic) Anyone"??? Other Complete Civilizations sharing multiple plains of existence all sharing the same building blocks at different Freqs.??? John

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You know I don't call a bunch of skeptical posters, who didn't work in the lab or make a video, EXPERTS on the "water has consciousness" theory.
So they are discussing Dr. Masaru Emoto on the snopes site, they aren't disputing it, just discussing it - snopes does not even dispute him or the studies as far as I could tell.

So, where is your proof (link to something) this video's claim is fraudulent?

Professor Emeritus Stanford Engineering Dr. William Tiller has backed up Emoto's water research:

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by norman619

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by ThePeonsChamp

 

It has been demonstrated WATER has a consciousness.
short clip
www.youtube.com...
long program
video.google.com...#

The water thing has been thoroughlky debunked. It doesn't help that it this guy's work appears on that documentary "What the BLEEP do we know?" It's the funniest piece of pseudoscience trying really hard ot pretend it's legit science. The presenters are all misrepresented as science experts but if you wait till the end for the credits they tell you what the background of each person actually is. One of them is just a friggen student. People are are WAY to willing to buy this BS w/o actually looking into the claims or the people making them.

[edit on 30-11-2009 by drew hempel]

I find this to be amazing if it is true. Every since I was young I have always had the ability to program my body, e.g. at night I would think hard about the time I want to awaken the next morning and the next morning I would wake up just before the clock goes off, this still happens to this day especially for an important event. I wonder if this is one and the same thing as they are saying here.

I have also experienced telepathy during a period about ten years ago but I quickly became filled with the thoughts of everybody in my immediate vicinity and when this happened I disliked it so much that I closed my mind to it. The specific experience where I had a conversation with someone without talking was absolutely amazing and I now wish I could open that part of my mind back up but now it is in a dormant state and I am left wanting. This phenemenon is absolutely real though and the signals transmitted and recieved are somewhat like a laser transmission.

Thank you for this thread star and flag for you I will now apply this to my techniques to reopen my mind and see if I get better results.

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Thank you very much.

This is a little off topic but I was investigating some other things on line and found this www.normanallan.com... And here's an interesting theory I came up with myself.
We are super conductors. Although we do not look like a diamond we are similar in crystalline structure and can reflect, absorb or direct energy, through us off us or in us.

Originally posted by Moosemose
reply to post by Anamnesis

 

Come on people, Ur still "in the Box" here! Step Outside & consider this: Freq., DNA, Color Spectrum..."Other Parallel Dimensions (Angelic/Demonic) Anyone"??? Other Complete Civilizations sharing multiple plains of existence all sharing the same building blocks at different Freqs.??? John

Hmmm... not sure why this was a direct response to something I posted. I'm certainly not "in the box". However, it's my belief that there is always a mechanism by which any "paranormal" phenomena can be explained.

Anyways.... Peace.

The zero point vacuum energy technology relies on the concept of 1/f noise frequency -- which is not random but rather like the Golden Ratio power law

video.google.com...#

www.quantumbrain.org...

EEG evidence of correlated event related signals between distant human brains. Leanna J. Standish (Bastyr University Research Institute), L. Clark Johnson (University of Washington), Todd Richards (University of Washington), Leila Kozak (Bastyr University Research Institute).

Purpose: Since 1965 there have been scattered and controversial reports of correlated event-related brain potentials detected in humans who are separated and isolated from one another by distances of up to 14 meters. In order to replicate and further investigate these findings sophisticated EEG software and statistical signal detection methods were developed.

Methods: Simultaneous digitized EEG was recorded from the occiput of pairs of healthy human adult subjects (n =60; 30 pairs) who knew each other well and claimed to have a sense of emotional and psychological connection with their partner. Subjects were separated from each other by 10 meters in sound attenuated rooms. Prior to each experiment, one member of the pair was randomly designated as the “sender” and the other as the “receiver”. Pattern reversal visual evoked potentials were triggered in the “sender’s” brain by flickering black and white checkerboard stimuli. Senders were presented with an alternating schedule of stimulus on (flickering pattern)/stimulus off (static pattern) conditions. Receivers were presented with a static pattern (stimulus off) throughout the whole session A statistical signal detection algorithm was developed to determine whether brain activation during the 80-180 msec interval in the “receiver” was higher when the “sender “was visually stimulated compared to when the sender’s monitor showed a static image of the same checkerboard stimulus. “Receiver” subject EEG data collected during the Static condition was used to construct a within-subject control statistic by which to compare EEG data collected from the “Receiver” during the Sender’s flicker condition. A Runs test was applied to compare EEG “hits” in the “Receiver’s” EEG during the ‘Sender’s’ Flicker condition than during the “Sender’s” Static condition. Those subjects with Runs Test results with p values < 0.01 were considered to provide evidence of a correlated brain signal associated with their sending partner’s Flicker condition. Pairs in whom at least one subject had significant results were invited back to the lab for a replication experiment.

Results: Of the 60 subjects (30 pairs) tested, five subjects (four women and one man) showed significantly higher brain activation (p < 0.01) during their sending partner’s Flicker condition compared to the Static condition. One subject in one pair replicated the effect in a second trial.

Discussion: These EEG results indicate that in some pairs of healthy human subjects a signal can be detected in the brain of a distant member of the pair when the brain of the other member is visually stimulated. These data represent a rigorous demonstration of correlated event related potentials between human brains at a distance. These anomalous findings warrant further replication.


www.sciencedirect.com... 117740584&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=6ae7f6147b11a952cb1de97f6b54d845


The golden mean, scale free extension of real number system, fuzzy sets and 1/f spectrum in physics and biology



[edit on 1-12-2009 by drew hempel]

this is all very interesting, and i'll have to read in thoroughly some other time!

good stuff, thanks!!

Originally posted by drew hempel
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

Any who doubt that the musical ratios are all of greater inequality, i.e., that the antecedent or first term in each is greater than the consequent or second term, should consult Archytas DK 47 B 2. T.

Drew, I appreciate the lengthly and detailed approach of your reply,
however I cannot understand AT ALL anything that you're trying to say here.

The terminology/jargon is going over my head, there's a skill called 'dejargoning' which is imho very important for someone like you to possess.

without it, you can't discuss your knowledge with the layman, and your intellect has successfully been compartmentalised by tptb and your specialist knowledge exiles you from your fellow man.

If you can re-produce the posts in question, in such a way that any old joe can understand it, please do so

What i HAVE managed to understand is that you find flaw in the golden mean ratio i.e. Fibonacci sequence also? and these things are used to enable the methods of tuning i talk about? that my very understanding of sound is flawed as it is based on these erroneous mathematics?

If that is the case, the ideas i see as phesable are still possible & can be achieved WITHOUT any mathematical calculations, you could determine which 'pitch' of pure tone to use in whatever application via cymatics images.

you might have to look at the resonant frequencies of the mediums you were using in order to discover if there were any variables to account for, but asides from that it should be a fairly straight forward process.

You could determine which 'pitches' had a practical application, maybe via a standing wave & resonating building materials (like that mysterious Egyptian coffer) to create a 'chamber' that had specific affects on the inhabitants.

another use of specific 'pitches' could be a variation of those ancient peruvian whistles that set up a phantom tone inside the players skull that aided in achieving a peak meditative state of mind, without the meditation.

-B.M

P.S) standing waves cause levitation - chinese spouting water bowl

more on the bowls

P.P.S)
the forementioned peruvian whistles

P.P.P.S) for info on forementioned 'egyptian coffer' read
the code of carl munick part 1 - 10

P.P.P.P.S)
I'm convinced that there is a hidden power & lost ancient knowledge just waiting to be discovered and that things like the effects of resonance & standing waves, right through to evidence of ancient peoples understanding the importance of these things (which is displayed in their architecture AND manufacturing of goods); are clues alluding to this possibility.

For e.g
sacred sound instruments
... According to tradition, the bowls (tibetan singing bowls) are made, in ceremony, of seven metals,
one metal for each of the planets:
Gold the Sun,
Silver the Moon,
Mercury for Mercury,
Copper for Venus,
Iron for Mars,
Tin for Jupiter,
Lead for Saturn.

Ghanta and Dorje...made of a 12-metal alloy consisting of silver, nickel, copper, zinc, antimony, tin, lead,
cobalt, bismuth, arsenic, cadmium and iron....

Evidence that gongmaking known as early as 3000BC......
alchemy sources put the gong as far out as 16000BC...
Sacred Gongmakers use an alloy recipe, which may contain 70-80% copper and 20-30% tin, with the
addition of silver, lead, nickel, iron, zinc, or meteorite....

They knew which metals related to which sounds related to which physical affects related to which planetary bodies which all carried there own attributed properties. Ritual & ceremony was used to tap into & remember this aspect of reality.

BASICALLY,
nature moves in cycles,
"back in the day" humans recognised these cycles & followed them accordingly, adjusting how they went about everything according to which phase of the cycle they were in.
we don't do that any more & there isn't a human alive today who hasn't spent their entire lives unable to ever exist outside of a field of broadcast waves (radios, tv, mobile phones etc),
the earth is smothered with them & has been for a long time now.

We can't possibly know how it is affecting us until we experience existence without it. I want to go back to a 'in sync with the cycle' kind of existence...

P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

I also think its the key to unlocking some future technologies even free nrg, for e.g. if you can find a natural way to set up a standing wave powerful enough to levitate water up a tunnel to the top of a hydro/gravity powered generator...you wouldn't have any need for a power consuming 'pump' the standing waves of sound could do it for you.....

[edit on 1/12/09 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by B.Morrison


Yeah B. Morrison you got it correct about the difference between the Golden Ratio/Mean and the Fibonacci Number Series. More importantly is the concept of complementary opposite harmonics. So the Fibonacci Number Series is really just 1 plus 1 divided by 1 infinitely but as numbers in Nature the series is expressed as complementary opposite spirals -- with say 5 in one direction and 8 in the other. Kepler realized this complementary opposite nature of the logic to the Golden Ratio which is why Kepler was against the reversing of the order of ratios for the quadratic proof. He stated that the Fibonacci ratios are based on male and female principles coming from Pythagorean philosophy.

I go into further details about this in my masters thesis which you should find fairly readable. It has a lot of technical details but I spell out the jargon fairly well since it's an interdisciplinary degree:

www.hiddenmysteries.org...

This version leaves out my later discovery about the complementary opposites whereby 2:3 is Taoist yang and 3:4 is Taoist yin from the Pythagorean Tetrad. But I already posted that above. In India this was the 3 gunas -- tamas, sattva, guna. So you have yang, yin and emptiness or formless awareness -- pure consciousness.

In my masters thesis, "Epicenters of Justice" linked above, all I do is show how quantum chaos math -- which has the golden ratio or 1/f noise as the most prominent example (the most irrational of irrational numbers) -- connects back to the nonwestern sacred sound resonance. But I never took the exact leap in logic to demonstrate that in fact the two are diametric opposites because quantum chaos math still relies on...

symmetric "one to one correspondence" of letter and number. That was my later "When the mothership lands: Secrets of the CIA Psi-Plasma Vortex" research which is sort of Ph.D. level and is why I don't spell out all the jargon. But I did recently get a reply back from Luigi Borzacchini, math professor in Italy, who focuses on musical mathematics. He said my math is correct but he disagrees with how I apply it. Essentially the record for math is very sketchy in the early Greek history -- specifically the connection with music ratios and the concept of the geometric magnitude as incommensurability for the continuum in mathematics. My argument is that the secret music math equation I discovered for Archytas -- that you alluded to -- gives this secret connection based on logic, not on historical circumstances.

I'll send it to another math specialist in Platonic history to see what he says since he, David Fowler, acknowledges that there is some secret music connection only he can't figure it out and so dismisses it. The problem again is that the nonwestern music harmonics challenges the very foundation of Western logic. In fact math Professor Joe Mazur said I had done important research and encouraged me to submit it to the most read math journal. But when I challenged the very foundation of math and then basically condemned science based on the logic of it, my paper was rejected. Mazur suggested I resubmit it to a journal of Indian history of science but I just figured that if the mathematicians are in denial that there's not much more to do.

I have another essay on this called the "rotten root" that gets more into the practice of applying the concept of nonwestern harmonics to the body-mind connection to get to the source of reality. Another philosopher who has figured this out is peterkingsley.com...

Just scroll down on this link to get to my "rotten root" article:

www.nonduality.com...


[edit on 2-12-2009 by drew hempel]

Originally posted by drew hempel
reply to post by B.Morrison

Yeah B. Morrison you got it correct about the difference between the Golden Ratio/Mean and the Fibonacci Number Series. More importantly is the concept of complementary opposite harmonics. So the Fibonacci Number Series is really just 1 plus 1 divided by 1 infinitely but as numbers in Nature the series is expressed as complementary opposite spirals -- with say 5 in one direction and 8 in the other.

I've seen this expressed with overlays on photo's of pinecones & sunflowers

Kepler realized this complementary opposite nature of the logic to the Golden Ratio which is why Kepler was against the reversing of the order of ratios for the quadratic proof. He stated that the Fibonacci ratios are based on male and female principles coming from Pythagorean philosophy.

makes sense, if base 10 &A=440hz work on certain fundamentals, which are incorrect (my opinion on this is only based on intuition) I can imagine that this 'quadratic proof' had a similar effect on the theories relating to fibb'. Also I once had a book called '101 ways to know yourself' which contained every medical, religious & esoteric systems within that were self assessable.
Immediately noticeable was that no matter what source the method/system for self analysis came from (eastern/western metaphysics, western medicine, etc) they all revolved around duality. So due to that, it also makes sense to me - male/female dual nature of the math.

I spell out the jargon fairly well since it's an interdisciplinary degree:

www.hiddenmysteries.org...

awesome

This version leaves out my later discovery about the complementary opposites whereby 2:3 is Taoist yang and 3:4 is Taoist yin from the Pythagorean Tetrad. But I already posted that above. In India this was the 3 gunas -- tamas, sattva, guna. So you have yang, yin and emptiness or formless awareness -- pure consciousness.

how can a ratio 'be' the negetive or positive halves of an energy wave?
wouldn't it express instead the relationship between the two?
say if you had a measurement for the 'yang' levels, you could determine the level of 'yin', with the ratio? or is it when that ratio occurs you can identify yin & yang energies in the event? I'm sorry i don't get it :S

more importantly, what can you do with that information?
if regular taoist yang=x
and specifically pythag's taoist yin=y
then I can do=?
what?

In my masters thesis, "Epicenters of Justice" linked above, all I do is show how quantum chaos math -- which has the golden ratio or 1/f noise as the most prominent example (the most irrational of irrational numbers) -- connects back to the nonwestern sacred sound resonance. But I never took the exact leap in logic to demonstrate that in fact the two are diametric opposites because quantum chaos math still relies on...

symmetric "one to one correspondence" of letter and number.

quantum choas math+the most irrational of numbers_sacred sound resonance sounds very interesting..... couldn't you approach this without quantum chaos math, which by ur own observation is based on something that might not 'work' with this problem?. I know what questions i want answered...what are you seeking? basically, I seek to discover ancient applications & tools that use resonance of energy be that sound or whatever & to understand the relationship between different energies, then recreate this applications/tools etc myself, for my own use. The math comes second to the trial & error experiments, because as you mention, existing systems are flawed....

But I did recently get a reply back from Luigi Borzacchini, math professor in Italy, who focuses on musical mathematics.

groovy

Essentially the record for math is very sketchy in the early Greek history -- specifically the connection with music ratios and the concept of the geometric magnitude as incommensurability for the continuum in mathematics.

simple answer, take those figures that ARE solid, and experiment with them but don't use math. go at it "blind", you don't need to understand what is happening to the numbers in the background of an experiment occuring in front of your face, in order to determine results, the math comes after the successful experiment to further explain what just happened, I do not see math as the 'great discoverer' of anything.

My argument is that the secret music math equation I discovered for Archytas -- that you alluded to --

How about sharing your secret musical mathematics equation?
isn't that the point of your learning?
to further the knowledge of man as a whole?

gives this secret connection based on logic, not on historical circumstances.

why not base it on trial & error?
I think its the only truly solid means of determining anything.

I'll send it to another math specialist in Platonic history to see what he says since he, David Fowler, acknowledges that there is some secret music connection only he can't figure it out and so dismisses it.

it seems to me that no-one has figured this out yet, i think its good ur getting a 2nd opinion

But when I challenged the very foundation of math and then basically condemned science based on the logic of it, my paper was rejected.

You're in the same boat as Nassim there. Obviously you're onto something, u only get shut down if your progress exposes the ignorance of those that came before & are still alive to contest your theories.

I just figured that if the mathematicians are in denial that there's not much more to do.

then they win & mankind suffers. finish your work ignore the stuffy shirts.

Another philosopher who has figured this out is peterkingsley.com...

Just scroll down on this link to get to my "rotten root" article:

www.nonduality.com...

I'll be sure to check all that out, thanks for the extensive references, should keep me busy for a while!

P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

P.S)u r befriended, I get the feeling I'll have more to discuss once I start seeing results myself

[edit on 2/12/09 by B.Morrison]

[edit on 2/12/09 by B.Morrison]

Originally posted by badmedia
Rather than seeing those "waves" as some kind of vibration and frequency, I see it as information and values.

This is exactly what it is & it's not a new concept either. Many people use it on a regular, perhaps daily, basis. Turn on your radio...

The wave signals that are being broadcast to your receiver are specifically modulated to pass "intelligence." That is to say, any radio signal that carries any kind of information on it is said to "carry intelligence."

With AM Radio, it's the amplitude of the signal wave that your receiver translates into music & voice...In FM Radio, the amplitude of the signal stays constant, but it's the frequencies that are controlled.

The music & voice of the DJ are the "intelligence" riding on the radio signal. Composed of sound waves, the "noise" can indeed change your mood, as you listen to the music & let your mind wander with it.

The only thing that seems to be new with the idea discussed here is that "sounds waves we can't consciously hear do have a physical effect on us, but this effect happens on the DNA level." The fact that sounds we can't hear do affect us has been established...It only remains to be seen how far we are affected, as these researchers continue the study.

Originally posted by JayinAR
The dude with the flashy avatar needs to stop using that avatar. Those color changes in bursts like that are known to cause epileptic seizures.

Case in point...

Originally posted by badmedia
It's when people start talking about "changing their frequency" that I become skeptical.

I have to agree here. Our individual DNA patterns have evolved over millions of years along a certain sets of closely-related "frequencies" to produce an individual variety within the same species...Much the same as 2 different FM radio stations can simply avoid using the same frequency & not "bleed over" into each other. All you can get is a combination of signals, but neither of those two "intelligent components" have any real effect on each other...One intelligent signal does not alter the actual broadcast of intelligence in the other. The mixing of the two signals can produce some pretty bizzare-sounding results, but the actual signals involved don't change each other. But I'd have to agree with Johnmike that using UV light frequencies can only result in destroyed DNA...At least until scientists can learn to control the precise frequencies as unerringly as a musician can control the music-frequencies to achieve positive results.

Originally posted by Reddupo
That is what Hermes apparently did in his stories in the Hermetic classic, the Kybalion. He came to primitive Egypt and they feared him as a God because he harnessed the power of sound vibrations and they had no idea.

Do you really know that this is what Hermes did? Or perhaps did he use something else? Evidence leading to proof of this is "sketchy" at best, considering that most documentation in that Age of Humans is...Shall we say, "incomplete?"
Have any reliable sources?

Originally posted by B.Morrison
If there weren't human body frequencies that can be determined & adapted to, they would not be able to medically treat people with ultrasound.

One point you're missing here is that doctors don't adapt ultrasound frequencies with their patients. In most cases, it's used to "scan" & electronically interpret rebounded signals into an image...As submarine sonar does. In the other case, ultrasound is used merely as a tightly focused, highly damaging frequency to break up tissues, like kidney stones. Scanning or damage...That's all there is to the current practice of medical technology.

Originally posted by Konspiracy Brotha
Nothing exists in the body for NAUGHT.

That much is a given. If certain DNA sequences had no use for us in the past, we never would have evolved in the first place. Conversely, if the potential for certain traits is non-existent, we can't evolve any further. That would be very bad, because Nature has proven time & again that environmental factors do have an effect on the paths that our DNA can develop...In time.

Originally posted by norman619
You can look at EVERYTHING as a "frequency" since everything is vibrating.

This much is also true. All known forms of matter & energy are vibrating, right down on the sub-atomic level. The slower the frequency, the more "solid" it appears & the higher the frequency, the more likely it becomes energy. One of the fundamental Laws of the Universe is that nothing is static & nothing is wasted, as it all interacts with each other & even converts to different forms. Matter converts to either a different form of matter (in time) or eventually converts into energy & energy does the same in respect to matter. It's a self-perpetuating cycle; Life eventually dies & feeds new life to grow & die, which feeds new life...etc.

Originally posted by Angel One
e.g. at night I would think hard about the time I want to awaken the next morning and the next morning I would wake up just before the clock goes off, this still happens to this day especially for an important event. I wonder if this is one and the same thing as they are saying here.

Not really. Sleep Research has already verified that concentrating on one particular thought & then dreaming about it in your sleep produces positive results. For example, people who begin to learn a new skill just before going to bed & then concentrating & dreaming about it tend to show marked improvement in performing the new skill...In comparison to those who don't try to "dream up new skill."

This seems to be an evolutionary trait, when we had to rely on "fight or flight" to survive...When confronted with something new in the environment (& surviving to think about it later), we evolved the ability to "dream" new skills or tactical plans that would aid in survival, should a similar circumstance occur in the future. Dreaming in such a manner actually aided in survival & evolution. It seems to me that consideration of "dreaming true," compared to "light affecting alteration in DNA," isn't much more than a dead-end or a distraction to the real issue. So far, the human mind is still as "not fully understood" as the permutations in DNA.

Originally posted by Anamnesis
Hmmm... not sure why this was a direct response to something I posted. I'm certainly not "in the box". However, it's my belief that there is always a mechanism by which any "paranormal" phenomena can be explained.

Same here...I just don't think that intentionally altering our DNA with light frequencies is the way to find out though.

What concerns me is that we have human beings, just as fallible as any other, messing around with DNA without really knowing for certain what it is they're messing with...And it's going to take a lot of destroyed DNA to figure it out, just as it took a lot of time & effort for people to puzzle out sound-harmonics.

Just keep in mind that the entire basis of scientific research is the study of the Natural Universe. Observe, Formulate Theory, then Experiment. If your theory doesn't fit the facts derived from Experimentation, throw out the theory, not the results. This seems to be too common of a failing in the scientific community; There's too much "politics" in there anymore...

Originally posted by ThePeonsChamp

The secrets of DNA finally unlocked!

Hello fellow members of ATS, I stumbled across this article today and thought it needed to be shared as I think it is a fundamental breakthrough in the understanding of all life.

source

or

www.aeonia.com...

Science has proved through DNA that consiousness really is everything.

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mind’s influence on weather patterns and much more.

- All of this was found in what was called the "junk" part of the genome that researchers through out.

It turns out DNA is coding that can be written through vibrational interference, proposing a much better way to manipulate genes then implanting them directly.

The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of DNA. In brief the bottom line was: "Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation." This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influenced DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself.

I found this an incredibly fascinating read and just wanted to share it with all of you. Cheers for the power of consciousness!

is we can be Superman through this?