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Anti-government Militias Resurfacing

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posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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wow, this is where i live, and its a small area.

i had no idea this was going on


in my town of all places...

edited to add: just realized i use to work with one of norms sons, lol

[edit on 11/24/2009 by Alaskan Man]

[edit on 11/24/2009 by Alaskan Man]




posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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I have a dream - to quote Martin Luther King. I have a dream of a peaceful revolution in which before days end we will find ourselves in the Oval Office, We will see ourselves in the Hall of Congress. we will see ourselves on the senate floor and we will see ourselves in the Supreme court. It could be done in a day and it fill forever set the course for this country for all time.

We have already proven our ability to call large numbers to the cause in a short period of time. Bear with me. Our Government has gone into a mode of self-preservation. they have locked the doors and boarded the windows to the house but what they have forgotten is that we built that house. Were going to take it back.

This revolution would either be the biggest blood bath our nation has ever known or it wll be the most successful pindrop heard around the world. This revolution is not about petty cause, it is not for signs or even costumes, it is for the everyday American citizen - come as you are.

In a nutshell we assemble and divide to proceed to our designated locations around the capital. It is essential that no one bring any form of weapon to this revolution. If there is to be bloodshed let them bring it and fall under the scrutiny of those at home and those around the world.

Simply, we march forward. Our goal is to enter. We raise a hand to no one but continue to move forward. Man woman and child simply move forward with the goal of entering. If they dare stop the man in front of you, if they arrest him or (lets be honest) "kill" him simply move forward never lifting a hand in aggression. Logistically they do no have the manpower or firepower to deal with the numbers we have amassed and I doubt they have the faculties to kill in cold blood a peaceful assemblage with men women and children. It is worth noting that they might act violently, if so they will find themselves in the court of Amercan public appeal.

Before the day was out we would be in those hallowed halls. We would have sent a message to the world of the power of the people to affect change and would have done so non-violently.

Look I know its a pipedream right now, but is this not preferable to what we are spiraling toward at breakneck speed?



[edit on 24-11-2009 by WWJFKD]



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Didnt we have the same report about this rise in militias at the beginning of the year? We also had a thread warning us of the pending civil war if Obama passed the stimulus.... oh yes and we continue to get the pending "revolution" threads. I mean theres alot of talking, alot of speculation, which has only added to alot of nothing.

I dont know if hyping these things up calms down your frustrations of Obama but it certainly doesnt do any action.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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I am not sure that action is the point of a Militia.

The best weapon is one that you never have to use. The thought of a large contingency of well armed and well trained civilians might be enough.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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So,.. to use a two word phrase,...

"Let's Roll"



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


I am not sure that action is the point of a Militia.

The best weapon is one that you never have to use. The thought of a large contingency of well armed and well trained civilians might be enough.



As long as the Government maintains a huge military industrial complex, security industrial complex and prison industrial complex that many aspects of violate the Constitution the citizens really do need to maintain a militia.

The notion that it is particuarly wrong for specifically White Anglo Saxon Protestants the people who actually founded the nation and framed the constitution to be the ones most inclined to actively defend and promote the freedoms in the Constitution though things like the militias is perhaps one of the greatest propaganda coups of all time.

That the very same people whose blood and ideas forged this nation are somehow the greatest threat to it?

It's amazing the things people can be taught to fear and believe all so the government can try to keep everyone equally frightened of one another and looking to it for security instead of actually feeling secure and being secure, which is an impossibility from a government that teaches us to fear everything from the flu to the guy next door.

Washington is truly out of control and the best thing for it and for us all is it to wake up and understand the people of this nation are not at all happy with it's performance.

It doesn't matter what the pollsters and the spin maestros say, what matters is what is happening on main street and people on main stream are upset and have long been upset with the direction government continues to go.

Personally I wouldn't look for the people crashing the border for cheap jobs or people on the welfare rolls to step up to the plate and try to fix it.

I would expect it would in fact be the same type of people who fixed the problem in the first place and founded the nation to create a far better and different government than the huge bloated intrusive and opressive corupt government we have today.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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I always ask militia supporters the question what happens if they do overthrow the government and begin to turn on each other? it seems they never have a real answer for me.I don't support militias because we have seen where this leads to look at Beirut for example and TPTB's main goal is the eventual collapse of the US into a failed 3rd world country and letting the militia movement and the government fight each other to the death would be a perfect way to do that.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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im all for them so long as they try to stay peacful, are not racist and are all for the constitution. i have tried to find one in utah but havent had any luck. the only groups like this i have found seem to be very neo con



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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There is a theme echoing here that sounds like this: "I understand all the reasons why people should protect their lives, liberty, and property, but I just shouldn't have to. That should be done for me by my neighbor or my government." That's a nice fairytale. Big dogs and bullets are the only thing stopping the gang of murderous thugs that live right around the corner from Anywhere, U.S.A. from robbing you of all your money, food, other valuable resources, maybe your life or your loved ones, in the event of a real catastrophe or major civil unrest. If you don't believe me, take a spin around the block and look.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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It is my belief that a time will come in America when we will no longer be able to call or rely on Police to assist us with criminal behaviour during periods of extreme economic difficulty.

When those who are hungry and starving begin moving around looking for ways to survive it will no doubt involve situations where you will be able to keep what is yours only if you can deter those that would take it from you by force.

Combine the fact that criminals mixed into the survival equasion will also be hungry and more than willing to kill you for what they believe will keep them alive longer than you and your family.

It will be very personal from the criminal perspective and as such it should be very personal to us to deter and prevent anyone from killing us or our family because we are not armed or prepared for defending ourselves.

When this hard times scenario begins and then sustains itself for any period of time, it will be only those with weapons that will be able to resist and protect themselves and their families. Life and death will be determined by this small point of discussion.

Any society that disarms the citizen and then expects him or her to survive against someone with weapons is not being honest with your chances for survival.

Time will tell, but I learned many years back that it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Any nation founded on the princilples of true freedom and human rights would acknowledge that it is the average armed citizen that is the real protector of Americas freedoms.

No police or Army can protect us when they are not around. This reason alone is enough to justify what our founders understood.

A well arm citizen militia is indeed the standard of a free nation. Any nation that does not understand this simple point is an enemy of the people.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously
I always ask militia supporters the question what happens if they do overthrow the government and begin to turn on each other? it seems they never have a real answer for me.I don't support militias because we have seen where this leads to look at Beirut for example and TPTB's main goal is the eventual collapse of the US into a failed 3rd world country and letting the militia movement and the government fight each other to the death would be a perfect way to do that.


Hard to imagine people who have never done something in a hypothetical situation proposed to them, especially one they hope they never have to do, not having a satisfactory answer for you! Who would have thunk it?

Look around the U.S. has already turned into a failed 3rd world country our true unemployment hovers around 20% the middle class is dissapearing so fast it looks more like casper the friendly ghost than a vital portion of our society and sometimes the only way to realign a bad status quo is by watering the tree of liberty with the blood of despots, tyrants and patriots.

I mean heaven forbid anyone be inconvenienced from Black Friday at Wal-Mart and their G-d given right to stampede each other to death in a rush to buy cheap Chinese junk on sale!

Lebanon was a great place for 1 group of people before the civil war. One minority group had the country pretty much wired to run for them their way at the expense of the majority.

Yes a civil war turned it into Hell for everyone changing that balance of power just like it did here in the United States. It does typically take a long period of reconstruction to realign a society after a civil war too as people still trying to cling to the old status quo arm wrestle with those striving for a new status quo that is better for everyone and not just one segment of society.

Of course there are some of those people who imagine that the economy is going to turn around next year through brilliant maneuvers like borrowing our way out of debt! Exporting more jobs, crushing the last vestiges of the unions and putting more private business in the hands of the government! Oh and giving lots of taxpayer money away to corporate crooks. As it stands now our grand children's grand children will still be paying off just the interest on our debt.

Militias primarily exist to keep the government honest. When that no longer works militias exist to protect the people from a dishonest government.

No pain no gain friend, but that doesn't mean just sitting around on your hands having the government keep chipping away at the stone that are our rights and are our liberties, and are our economic prosperity aren't darn painful too.

People lie to themselves on every side of the argument by the way.

The best way for evil to suceed is for good people to turn a blind eye in the face of it and doing nothing.

I don't personally think that's a great strategy at this advanced stage of decay.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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While I agree on many of Travelers points, I cannot go with the govt. liason. If we had an honest govt. then maybe. I could see that being a plus (with an honest govt.) for info and training purposes.

Ruby and Waco opinions?
both were from a govt. that wanted to send a "message"...they got a message right back! The militia movement.

Racist? The feds try to lump aryan nation and so forth with them. Why dont the put Nation of Islam in the mix? hmmm. Dont forget that one of the best militias (was\is?) Tri-States out of La., ark., and Tennessee. One of their highest ranked officers was a black man. Yeah. When you have a "minority" in charge of white guys, thats the new racism!





[edit on 24-11-2009 by felonius]



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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I would agree that a takeover of the government would be a total failure. What the goal of a militia should be is to give a voice to a group that has none. We as a people need to get our voices heard. And we need a clear concise message. Washington will have no choice but to listen if we come in a large enough group.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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You have done a great job of posting quotes from past patriots that explain WHY the Militias are essential in the US. More than ever, I believe that they are necessary in today's environment, especially since we have a government today that has no trouble ignoring the Constitution of the United States, the Guiding document of the Unites States.


More importantly we have a government that has no trouble ignoring the will of the people that it is supposed to serve.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:22 AM
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A couple of bitter old men up in alaska do not a militia make.

I thought that need pointing out. lol



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Didnt we have the same report about this rise in militias at the beginning of the year? We also had a thread warning us of the pending civil war if Obama passed the stimulus.... oh yes and we continue to get the pending "revolution" threads. I mean theres alot of talking, alot of speculation, which has only added to alot of nothing.

I dont know if hyping these things up calms down your frustrations of Obama but it certainly doesnt do any action.


You know the score by now SG. It is difficult at best to push forward until the country is on it's knees and the people are really feeling it. That time will be coming around the corner. The Fed. Res. can only hold things back so long before the next dip in the Economy hits.
When it does, and Obama told us so last week, it will be swift and hard.

The unemployment extentions are the only thing holding it back right now.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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The MSM has been doing expose's of late on the militia. The militia, tea partiers, town hall attendees and anyone that even remotely airs a beef. Their militia slights are on two fronts. First to make militia members look silly or unstable in some fashion as some have mentioned earlier. And second by inference from the silly/unstable stigma that they are then inconsequential. If the militias and the members were either there would be no coverage at all. The MSM doth protest too much.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Now would those be the Muslim Terror Training Camps in America that the CIA is running or would those be the Muslim Terror Training Camps in America that the MOSSAD is running, or would those be the Muslim Terror Training Camps in America that the CIA/MOSSAD is running?

Good morning, my good friend.
Of course, I know that you realize that regardless of whether it is the CIA or Mossad, or both, that adding the CIA or Mossad to the phrase "Muslim Terror Training Camps" is redundant.


What is unfortunately happening in our country, is that we have an administration that is much more interested in showing how much they can relinquish US national sovereignty, than they are preserving our sacred Constitution.

We have an administration that values Hollywood, more than it values Main Street:


Obama Thanks Hollywood With Coveted Invites To First White House State Dinner


www.deadline.com...

We have an administration that is much more interested in saving Wall Street, than in saving Main Street, and we have an administration that worships the most harmful organization to our national survival, namely the Federal Reserve.

Given that the last election was tainted by ACORN, with the registration of millions of illegals, and multiple votes by individuals, Americans feel that there is no other way to fight back. The entire electoral process has been tainted beyond repair, as every aspect of it is rigged, from the nomination process, to the registration process, to the voting, the vote counting, and the court rulings.

At some point, Americans will realize that there is no other alternative other than to nourish the tree of Liberty.

May the tree of Liberty grow and flourish, and the true enemies of the Constitution be brought to justice!



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Didnt we have the same report about this rise in militias at the beginning of the year? We also had a thread warning us of the pending civil war if Obama passed the stimulus.... oh yes and we continue to get the pending "revolution" threads. I mean theres alot of talking, alot of speculation, which has only added to alot of nothing.

I dont know if hyping these things up calms down your frustrations of Obama but it certainly doesnt do any action.


You know the score by now SG. It is difficult at best to push forward until the country is on it's knees and the people are really feeling it. That time will be coming around the corner. The Fed. Res. can only hold things back so long before the next dip in the Economy hits.
When it does, and Obama told us so last week, it will be swift and hard.

The unemployment extentions are the only thing holding it back right now.



j2000, we're certainly at a time where there is no lack of instigation for action by the people. There's been plenty of push, back off, push, debate, push again activity by our government that desensitizes the hamster wheel masses to the dangers. I think the militia members are on to this. It's pushing the not so invisible agenda as well as trying to instigate bad decisions by the citizenry/militia/opposition. The ludicrous backgrounds and statements of a number of current and former czars and appointees comes immediately to mind. Pure instigation. If the main goal of the appointments was the administration's agenda it would be on the down low and subtle. Not these bald-faced socialist provocateurs. They're there to get a reaction. They've been kamikaze pilots for this administration.

I wonder how the current push to investigate and make the fed more transparent will influence all this. Another economic "dip" as you mentioned or national distraction (do we have enough?) could both derail the Paul-Grayson initiative and perhaps be the defining moment. One could imagine the Fed Reserve saying "so be it" and letting hell break loose rather than be held accountable. Who would hold them accountable once Marshall Law was enacted?



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Hemisphere
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The MSM has been doing expose's of late on the militia. The militia, tea partiers, town hall attendees and anyone that even remotely airs a beef. Their militia slights are on two fronts. First to make militia members look silly or unstable in some fashion as some have mentioned earlier. And second by inference from the silly/unstable stigma that they are then inconsequential. If the militias and the members were either there would be no coverage at all. The MSM doth protest too much.


The good news there my friend is it shows just how confident and how serious the mainstream news media is when it comes to shaping perspective through editorial and not simply reporting.

While the Park Avenue and Hollywood spin maestros might manage to convince otherwise distracted and harried Americans caught up in the overwhelming day to day struggle for survival that the people who belong to militias are one or two bricks shy of a load, the reality is those brave men and women are carrying a full load and a few extra bricks for the shirkers and fools who gobble up mainstream news media's pundits and editorialists with more gusto than a Thanksgiving Turkey having it's last meal by the carnal house door.

The reality is that the mainstream news media is doing the militias a favor in that the militias really don't need weak links and the type of people who look to the mainstream news media for verbal clues and opinions.

The best thing for the militias is to be able to operate in that vacum of citizen disinterest and suspicion and government scorn.

These attitudes and strategies will just harden militia members resolve and continue to underscore the real and present danger in today's society and government, because when you are right you are right, and you don't need a talking head to echo what you already know in your own.

Everything our government and mainstream media does speaks of desperation and manipulation and sooner or later they will hang themselves in that process if given enough rope, and they sure seem intent on stealing all the hemp they can lay their hands on!

The militias will continue to gain committed members and strength and thanks to the mainstream media won't be burdened with the nay sayers and wishy washy types.

Our government has reached the point a good bit ago where it is too clever for it's own good!




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