American is the Joke.

America is renouned for being a war-mongering supporter of dictatorships; paranoid of anything resembling socialism; obesity; ghettos; gun crime; the CIA; right wing christians; stupid white men; the good ol' inbred south; homophobia; pollution; two-faced foreign policy; national debt; and last but not least George Bush. (And that's not even mentioning the drinking laws.)

Yet if America says anything we are all expected to jump in line, because err... oh yeah of WW2, and because America fought to uphold freedom of speech. (Well freedom to agree with it anyway.)

So America is just one big joke, but if u want to post ones with punchlines go ahead.

You resort to personnaly attacking certain groups in the US is a brave and very up standing thing to do there FD..The Moral High ground that you place your self and the rest of the world is the joke..!

Boomslang

Im not obese, nor two faced, I am pro-peace, I disagree with dictatorships, I am not over-weight, nor am I inbred, I am very accepting of gays (until they hit on me), I am against the irresponsible spending of governments, and right wing christians (A bit of a juxtaposition that one), and I am very against George Bush.

What's so funny about that?

Maybe you have a quirky sense of humour or something.



[Edited on 24-2-2003 by Fantastic_Damage]

FD, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, feelings and personal biases about America. I see that you live in the UK, like myself. I'm curious about your experiences in America, have you been there?

Whilst I cannot condon many of the things that America has done in the past, I love my country of origin.

I honestly believe strongly that America must fight against worldwide terrorism and fully support the administrations plans to snuff out hidden WMD, wherever they may be found.

On 9 /11 my first thought was that Britain would be a prime target for terrorists. My second thought was that Mr. Hussein may well have been involved behind the scenes. I believe he would gladly use puppets like Al Quieda to do his dirty business for him.

It's ironic that while America shoulders the biggest burden of riding the world of WMD, the benecifiaries include critical, name callers like yourself.

Well there you go...who ever said that life is fair?

Just some thoughts from an American who loves his country,
Deep

See the problem is that there will always be anti-Americans, no matter what we do. We helped save the world in WW2 and we were hated for that, and now we are trying to root the world of terrorism and tyranny that posses a threat to the US and still we get hatred. Our nation is threaded by evil; yeah we're a big joke to wanting to prevent that. We are trying to aid Africa in their AIDs problems; yeah we're a big joke for that to eh? I bet when a dirty bomb is released in your country and you finally wake up realize the seriousness of terrorism ect, you wont think we're a big joke.

Deep its hard to argue with a person like FD...he is by his own thinking the perfect person..look at his post he loves every one..

I also do not always agree with my goverment...IN FACT i dont most of the time..But i think that i like my way of life and will defend that,..

I am sorry that you feel you need to insult the population of the US because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside..


Boomslang

I agree, with MM. We for the past 5o or so years have helped the world. We helped rebuild Japan after we bombbed them, and yet we are hated. stopped WWII, and we are hated. We are helping Africa with AIDS and we are hated. We are stopping terroism and we are still hated. And yet if we did not do this, the world would beg us for help.

i don't believe the u.s. is the source of all the problems today.
however, i think we should start following a policy of isolationism. we have enough problems domestically, so why should our tax money be used to 'solve' problems overseas, even if we're going to be blamed for something in the end, anyway?

right before you lot jump on me what I'm about to voice is not my own personal opinion but rather a generalised view of how many in the UK view the US.

'You are prone to be seen as a nation of paranoid occupants who see enemies all about them (F_D's original list was of groups you see as threats, not those he had any problem with) with a government and many right wing religious groups who play on those fears, using them to rouse hysteria and patriotic fervor to get the average citizen to toe the line

Mr Bush is seen as a bumbling fool, who scares us possibly even more than Ronald Regan did. And as for the war.... sorry guys you came in at the end just as the rest of us were on a winning streak and then tried to take all the credit. Btw you didn't have anything to do with the Enigma Machine

All in all, you both fascinate and worry us and we'd rather not become the 51st state for the moment thankyou very much'

tongue-in-cheek? yes
harsh? maybe
grounded in historical fact? unfortunately so

intelligent adults will always try to see a nation as it's individuals and not it's public figures. Unfortunately at times both you and us are guilty of the exact opposite


as as for isolationalism - China is a pretty good role model of that one. I wouldn't recommend that direction though

Why do these people hate us so much? Becuase they're jealous. They hate the fact that we started from nearly nothing but the basic's to survive and defend ourselves when we first came here. They especially hate that WE ARE the ONLY superpower capable to take every damned single one of them on and STILL whoop ass.

Pure jealousy. Plain and simple.

GO USA!!!

I can't believe my eyes !

Echelon, is it you who wrote this post, or your account have been hijacked ?

Let's go to the topic.... FD is a clone. Somebody took lupe_101 DNA and did FD in his/her laboratory.

Without the USA, and when I write USA, it should be better to write the republicans, the whole werstern world is doomed.

we don't hate you - honest

just people can be bigots in any nation. I'm sure americans hate certain countries in the same way as the british hate the french (although we like germany even though we had two world wars with them).

Maybe it is an element of jealousy, maybe because it's occasionally we think you're too full of yourselves and should just chill out!

And I think we're doomed with or without you

To quote Eddie Izzard 'we just look at you and think - what ARE you doing?!'

You're a comparatively young nation compared to us Old Worlders and you've achieved a lot. Yes we give you stick cos you're bigger than us and we have a peverse sense of humour. But I think learning to laugh at yourselves would help a lot - you know this irony thing people keep mentioning to you?

Nearly every nation out there hate's us. We help them, they turn around and hate us. Maybe we should say screw you all and let you work it out on your own. While we are such a young nation compared to you guy's, we're the most powerful and most mature. We've helped more people out than any other nation has prolly in all of history it's self. Sick isn't it.

Yea, I vote for screw everyone else and take care of our own for a change. It's the only way you older nation's will learn how much you need us ...

do you ever bother to question why so many other nations apparently hate you?

or do you prefer to not to look into it and take your bat and ball home?

yes you're powerful, because of the sheer size, but I wouldn't consider you the most mature.

And maybe the poor opinion is not of your average citizen but of your leaders and their policies. It seems to be ok for you to criticise your government and accuse them of hidden agendas and incompetence, but not ok for anyone else to do so

Personally I do think we're the most mature. Sure, our gov. prolly isn't the best thing around (I personally can't stand it). But, here we are wanting to rid the world once and for all of terrorism, yet most everyone want's nothing to do with it. That's why I think we're more mature. No one want's to help because we thought of doing it first. Because we took the first step again in helping the world out.

Hell, if we sat back and watched durring world war 2 you be saying hail hitler right now. Of course, eventually after germany whooped everyone but us, we would have ended saving everyone's ass anyway's ...

We're alway's helping this nation or that nation. Mediating this war or that war. Stopping war's before they even start. Ending war's that are just petty and stupid. We're ALWAY'S doing something to help the world. What we get for thanx? Our WTC building's taken out and a cheer across the globe because we finally got hit hard.

I'm really sorry to tell you this but bombing iraq won't rid the world of terrorism. You'll then have to do the same to Korea, Pakistan, parts of Africa... can you do Ireland as well while you're at it, cos the IRA still exists (do you still give them money btw?)

It's not a case of other countries not wanting to help, we're just not overly convinced of your methods. And we're more than a little worried about the consequences of flattening a country full of mainly innocent people to remove one set of lunatics from power. Have you considered that the innocent people might resent being bombed and will actually develop new terrorist organisations in revenge for your actions? Who you'll then have to wage war against and so on....

A lot of what we are saying is effectively 'slow down a little bit and think about what you are doing!'. Have you considered why the iraq people were so receptive to saddam in first place? These people are suffering great poverty caused by a combination of the Gulf War and Saddams' abuse of the sanctions placed on him afterwards. Would not sending in a team to assassinate him and his cohorts then flooding the country with aid (not just US but all nations in the UN) maybe both remove the problem of one man and prevent the same situation arising again?

This is why I don't think you're mature - you're all firepower and enthusiasm and most times we love you for it - you got into space and you've done some really amazing stuff, but when it comes to global conflict you're a walking liability!

FD, you're original post reads like a typical list of 'talking points' you might have copied-n-pasted from some left wing radical groups website and not much different from most western countries I might add.

We've tried talking with saddam for 12 year's now. We're still trying to talk with him now so we won't have to goto war. It's up to HIM about what's going to happen now. And we're not going after the iraqi people, we're going after saddam and his military. And our approach to stopping terrorism WOULD work if the whole damned world would pitch in! Yet, they won't because of all their stupid anti-american idea's. The world need's to grow up and realize if we work TOGETHER rather than letting the USA do all the dirty work (and then #ting on us as thanx), we'd actually make an impact and be that much more closer to world peace. We've already said this won't work without EVERYONE'S help. It's not our approach, it's the unwillingness of other nation's to even try.

but other countries are offering support. The majority of the UN supports action against Saddam. The UK has already started mobilising it's forces - a good friend of mine in the RAF is currently on standby to go to the middle east.

And I wasn't suggesting talking to Saddam - I was suggesting killing him and that is a consensus shared by most of the western world. The peace movement is against warfare not assassination.

However I don't think you and I are going to reach an agreement on this one, and thats possibly because we live in different nations with different media and a different way of doing things. I've never been to the states although oneday I would like to spend some time there to get a feel for what it is like and I've been trying to understand where your views come from. I don't get the impression you are trying to do the same with mine

Yea, but taking out the leader or a small group isn't enough. We need to take out every single terrorist we can by force. Talk is cheap. We can't sit there and ask them to please stop. While we're sitting here debating war, what do you think they're doing? Getting ready to fight by any mean's possible ... *cough* WMD'S *cough* This is why we HAVE to fight. They leave us little choice, and the more we sit and talk about if it's the right thing to do or not, the more they are placing terrorist group's around the world. I do understand your view's, I just simply don't agree with them. I think action is the only thing that will stop terrorism. If half the world dissagree's, then they obviously don't see the point of what we are trying to do, or maybe they too have money tied up with terrorist nation's like russia and france. Piss on 'em.