3rd rebuttal.
The pro of “Without The Patriot Act And Accepting Some Limits On Personal Freedoms, The Terrorist Have Already Won."
Originally posted by intrepid
No, it is because the terrorists had instilled a sense of fear in the people that they were willing to accept it. If that hadn't been the case Dubya
would have been bounced from office in 2004. Rights are important to Americans but the fear remained.
Yes and the fear still remains today. The people need the Patriot Act, they need to feel that something can be done to stop Terrorism. And just like
9/11 the second some one, or a group of people, remind the people of America that the world is a very dangerous place by committing another act
designed to cause fear they will inevitably demand that more of their rights get taken away simply by letting it happen.
Yes Intrepid the terrorist “Have all ready won”, but this happened long before the Patriot act was signed into law. We lost the war on Terror the
day we forgot what it meant to be an American, this happened long before 9/11 or the Patriot Act.
This is why the Patriot Act, a law that limits the personal Freedoms of the people, is so important in preventing the terrorists from winning. We need
to lie to our selves, we need a show, the illusion that we sill have a fighting chance. And we need this because of the fear that still remains in us
as a country.
“Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness” That's what the Patriot Act gives people who live in fear. People who are incapable of maintaining
their liberty and freedoms to pursue what would make them happy end up with a lie a sick parody of “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.”.
It's called free will. So long as we the people freely chose to lie to themselves and put safety before freedom an Act like the PA will only be to
our benefit. Granting true freedom to people who don't deserve it would be like forcing a domesticated animal to live in the wild, a cruel fate for
an animal born and raised in captivity.
Originally posted by intrepid
Public views on future-oriented policies may be disproportionately influenced by distressing experiences from the past.
I agree 100% but only when it applies to people who put safety before freedom. And people who do this need an Act like the PA to function in an
uninformed democracy, one in which responsibilities are handed over to the government.
Originally posted by intrepid
First off are these Socratic questions? And secondly, if they are could you be clearer so that I can give your questions the answer they deserve?
Yes they were my Socratic questions. My apologies.
I would also like to point out that in my statement below (the one in question) I overlooked that contagious (in bold below) should have actually been
courageous. Again my apologies to the readers and my opponent.
Originally posted by Izarith
Some nut-job referenced in an Iconic fashion does not create fear in the hearts of the contagious no more than the word Boogieman does in the
heart of an adult. Children on the other hand need nightlights like the Patriot Act in order to Sleep at night. And just like children need mommy and
daddy to tell them how to live, so too do the American people so long as they do not meet the requirements needed to function as a true Free and
democratic society.
As to making my statement clearer I will only do so for clarification and not for you to answer because I believe you have all ready answered in
agreement with your quote from Benjamin Franklin.
Originally posted by intrepid
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin.
Coincidentally this is exactly the idea and message I was trying to convey in my statement. Again my apologies for not having the eloquence of Mr. C
note himself but I can only try my best.
But I feel your Quote says it all and I thank you for posting such intelligent words from a brilliant man. What Benjamin Says is so true, is it not?
And he brings us exactly to the point of why I feel The Patriot act and the limitations on our Freedoms is so important to us to keep the fear at bay.
Because if we truly understood that we as a people deserve neither liberty nor safety the shame would be far more a punishment than continuing in our
little charade of “The war on Terror” which is a benefit to our dignity and peace of mind.
My Socratic Questions To Intrepid:
-Socratic question 1.) Has not the limitation on our Freedoms in this land we now call America been a trait seen throughout our entire history dating
back before the Constitution of America to the Articles of Confederation?
The Articles were created by the chosen representatives of the states in the Second Continental Congress out of a perceived need to have "a plan
of confederacy for securing the freedom, sovereignty, and independence of the United States." Although serving a crucial role in the victory in the
American Revolutionary War, a group of reformers,[1] known as "federalists", felt that the Articles lacked the necessary provisions for a
sufficiently effective government. Fundamentally, a federation was sought to replace the confederation. The key criticism by those who favored a more
powerful central state (i.e. the federalists)[citation needed] was that the government (i.e. the Congress of the Confederation) lacked taxing
authority; it had to request funds from the states. Also various federalist factions wanted[citation needed] a government that could impose uniform
tariffs, give land grants, and assume responsibility for unpaid state war debts ("assumption".) Those opposed to the Constitution, known as
"anti-federalists," considered these limits on government power to be necessary and good.[dubious – discuss][2] Another criticism of the Articles
was that they did not strike the right balance between large and small states in the legislative decision making process.[dubious – discuss] Due to
its one-state, one-vote plank, the larger states were expected to contribute more but had only one vote.
The Articles were replaced by the US Constitution on June 21, 1788.
Articles of Confederation
-Socratic question 2.) Have we as a people put or safety over Freedom into law many times before the Patriot Act?
-Socratic question 3.) If so does that not make us deserving of neither liberty nor safety?
Japanese American internment
Japanese American internment was the forcible relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of approximately 120,000 Japanese
Americans and Japanese residing in the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl
Harbor.
-Socratic question 4.) Did we not win the war against Japan in World War II?
Back to you Intrepid.