Man thought to be in Coma for 23 years was really awake!, page 3

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 06:15 PM

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Though on a side note there are people that do that as a lifestyle ie those
Guru's you here of in India who go in to a trance state for years at a time and also those Catholic Hermits who go in to solitude as well and just reflect upon life within themselves.
Well as for myself I only do it for an hour at a time each day and I find it quite uplifting and fulfilling afterwards. Its like you do a reboot of your brain whilst doing a registry clean etc

john124

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:02 PM

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Imagine if the doctors and nurses treated the supposedly comatose patients who are still awake like they did on the film: Kill Bill - where the doctors pimped out the women patients to "customers". There could be men/women in the same condition as this man was in, who are being treated like # and live an even more torturous life than this man has done for 23 years.

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chiron613

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:15 PM

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If he's able to read, he must be able to move his eyes - and he apparently could do it throughout his "coma". No one noticed? What's wrong with these people? How about his family? He couldn't even blink his eyes? But he can still read? I don't get it.

Twenty three years, and no one knew he was conscious. What a sad screwup.

10001011

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:27 PM

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We have technology now that allows sensors to be implanted into your brain to allow you to control computers with your thoughts. Wouldn't this technology be the best hope for these false comas?

They even have caps now that are non-invasive. Surely that should be a requirement before such a diagnosis is confirmed?

mandrake

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:21 PM

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It's called 'locked in syndrome', caused by damage to the pons.

IMO it's the most horrifying medical condition imaginable. Poor guy.

Ha`la`tha

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by dreams n chains
But sometimes I can see it in their eyes. Especially at times when I mention what year it is to them.

why don't they put a TV on where those people can see it. i mean, small comforts and all.

there are plenty of people around who are fully capable of living a full life but haven't done much except watch TV since 1986.

Oh man, 23 years in that state and you want to force the guy to have to endure never being able to turn the channel!!! oO

j/k

But that would be hell, 23 year of neighbours... even worse, home and away..

I simply cannot even grasp what it would have been like for that poor soul. the utter frustration at not even being able to move would be torture alone. But for everyone to consider you unconscious... i just cannot even begin to put myself in the place he was in...

HunkaHunka

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:44 PM

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This is a stark example of the importance of being able to control your subjective realm. And also to the point that in many cases, it's all that really matters.

Wow...

constantwonder

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 12:43 AM

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what alot of people seem to be forgetting when it comes to the cost of caring for a coma patient . . . and that is that not all coma patients require life support other than intravenos nutrients. Not all patients need breathing or pacemakers.

About the eye thing couldn't the reason be peripheral neuropathy? I mean he was in a car accident and completely paralyzed which would mean he was unable to move his eyes. . . . it said after a brainscan and alot of therapy he was able to do these things. The brainscan was the only thing that could have alerted the staff.

As for the mind bending horror of being unable to articulate in any way that you are not infact devoid of conscious thought is truely incomprehensible to any "normal" person I'm sure

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Psyagra

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 01:16 AM

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I am going to keep my eye on this ...

Of course I sympathize with him as much as the next person but at the risk of sounding cliche'ish, surely there must be a reason for this having happened(?) I think that we might be surprised at what this guy has to say of the whole experience ... where his thoughts were and what he discovered about the subconscious etc. etc. I am convinced that this guy can tell us a few things that we have never even considered.

I sincerely trust that they will now take better care of him and I for one will be keeping my eyes peeled for a book release.

Nola213

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 01:39 AM

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thats terryfying.

Kinda reminds me of that Eastwood movie about the girl Boxer who got paralyzed.

At least she was able to move from the neck up and attempt suicide by biting her tongue off.

This poor guy had NO WAY to off himself. Simply saying "I'd have lost my mind is easier said than done." Yes you may very well lose your mind but you won't die, and you'll be in a much woerse state than before you lost it.

This is why I'm all for pulling the plug on "certain people." Of Course each case must be looked at individually, and extremely close, before makeing that decision.

Scary story though. Feel terrible ofr that guy, or anyone else who's been through that.

Chett

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:14 AM

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Reading this story, first thing I did was double check my living will ...this is by far the worst thing I can imagine.
Pull the plugs!!!

DwaynetheSpecious

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:41 AM

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The story has sparkled some controversy about the case being real.

Check this out:

This is yet another obvious example of abysmal, practiced, purposeful ignorance by medical personnel - including Dr. Snyderman and her staff who prepared this piece. I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy that was begun back in 1977, when an Australian woman named Rosemary Crossley came up with the idea that autistic persons could express their thoughts via a keyboard when their hand was "supported" by what she called a "facilitator." In 1989, Douglas Biklen, a sociologist and professor of special education at Syracuse University, eagerly took up her cause, and as a result vast sums were donated to SU by friends and family members of autism victims - money that was simply wasted in futile "research."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

The "facilitated communication" process consists of the "facilitator" actually holding the hand of the subject over the keyboard, moving the hand to the key, then drawing the hand back from the keyboard! This very intimate participatory action lends itself very easily to transferring the intended information to the computer screen. In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand. The video editing is also biased, giving angles that line up the head of the subject with the screen, as if the subject were watching the screen.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Source: www.randi.org...

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asala

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:48 AM

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It has emerged today that his mother would not give up on the fact that she believe her son could hear her,
It was his mother who kept pushing for tests to be done and she decided too contact a brain specialist herself who then found his brain was working fully,

The mother said that she had asked him to move his eyes over the years and he did so!!! But doctors still said that was nothing substantial, His mother and father say they knew he was with them,

'If I asked him to move his eyes in a certain direction he did so.

'The doctors weren't impressed and they said it was a nervous tic or a coincidence. They didn't believe us.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

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Now_Then

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:49 AM

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That link really only talks about "facilitated communication" - not this story about a guy called Rom Houben... Somewhere I have seen a vid clip of the guy still laying in bed but clearly raising his arm to bring a womans face closer to his and smiling...

edit: here is another clip from youtube, now I can see the point being made about facilitated communication here... But you can't say that person is in a vegetative state any more... So if he was then something must of changed...

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asala

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 05:58 AM

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Quite an interesting read from his mother on the whole situation,

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Seems a little shocking that she was not listened to either, By her account there where "what i would see as" clear signs that he was with them,

Mr Houben's case was revealed in a scientific paper released by the man who 'saved' him, neurologist Dr Steven Laureys.
Dr Laureys, of Liege University, said: 'His doctors were not good. But I cannot say if better ones would have spotted what was wrong with him. The brain is a complex instrument.
'This was a failure in the system. Once someone stamps the label "without consciousness" on you, it is very, very hard to change it.'

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

rubyeyes

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 06:08 AM

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Makes think of poor Terri Schiavo. Remember her? They took out her feeding tube and let her starve. But if you see video of her she seemed to have some response when people talked with her, and smiled. I really think it was a mistake/crime what happened to her. She may have been slightly retarded but I could see that she was "there".

asala

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:36 AM

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Yep see this is something i seem to have an issue with... Now i really dont have much medical understanding so im only talking as my own opinion but this removing feeding tubes to allow someone to die kinda disturbs me a little,

Surely there must be another way?? Or i guess by doing something else it would be classed as assisted suicide? but again surely removing a feeding tube (Unless the patient did so themselves) would still fall under the same category?
I dont know just kinda bothers me little..

nixie_nox

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:50 AM

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I have heard that actually happens. Comatose women suddenly turning up pregnant.

kneverr

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 03:37 PM

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This story has another side to it. Many feel that he is not communicating "through" a computer, it is his mother or FC advocate in order to help facilitate the patient's rights and standing.

Video showing method:
www.cnn.com...

Facilitated Communication (FC)
www.skepdic.com...

"(FC) is a technique that allegedly allows communication by those who were previously unable to communicate by speech or signs due to autism, mental retardation, brain damage, or such diseases as cerebral palsy. The technique involves a facilitator who places her hand over that of the patient's hand, arm or wrist, which is placed on a board or keyboard with letters, words or pictures. The patient is allegedly able to communicate through his or her hand to the hand of the facilitator which then is guided to a letter, word or picture, spelling out words or expressing complete thoughts. Through their facilitators, previously mute patients recite poems, carry on high level intellectual conversations, or simply communicate. Parents are grateful to discover that their child is not hopelessly retarded but is either normal or above normal in intelligence. FC allows their children to demonstrate their intelligence; it provides them with a vehicle heretofore denied them. But is it really their child who is communicating? Most skeptics believe that the only one doing the communication is the facilitator."

American Psychological Association opinion on Facilitated Communication:
Full article here: www.apa.org...

APA short take:
"Consequently, specific activities contribute immediate threats to the individual civil and human rights of the person with autism or severe mental retardation. These include use of facilitated communication as a basis for a) actions related to nonverbal accusations of abuse and mistreatment (by family members or other caregivers); b) actions related to nonverbal communications of personal preferences, self-reports about health, test and classroom performance, and family relations; c) client response in psychological assessment using standardized assessment procedures; and d) client-therapist communication in counseling or psychotherapy, taking therapeutic actions, or making differential treatment decisions."

You too can become a Psychic Medium... sorry, facilitator, just go here, little money for a few $50 videos, a class or two...
www.inclusioninstitutes.org...

mahtoosacks

posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 03:41 PM

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you made friend with that comment!

wish i could have slept through boybands!

this is truly crazy. i cant believe he didnt go absolutely bonkers. out of all you that said you would, i will join you too!

but even if you did lose it, its not like you can commit suicide. you cant even move or make a noise! HOW AWFUL!

i wonder how many people woke up and they had gone 100% whacky, and the doctors just think its their brain that wasted away. (becomes a chicken or egg fiasco)

not sure if ive ever heard anyone call the chicken or egg debate a fiasco, but what happened to this guy is absolutely terrible! good to have him back with us though.