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The reason for the conflict is that change is needed, or suggested by the science that has come to accept that Humans are effecting climate change. This change then becomes a matter of political and economical policy, which are rarely transparent, simple, or even effective.
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by atlasastro
I agreen with you a lot of your points, however from my perspective it's the element of blame that is causing a lot of friction.. Along with what appears to be a lack of transpatency..
Which is why the issue is so much more than a bunch of scientist telling us what the research and evidence is showing them. Fear is a great component in these debates, as you mention, one side highliting the extreme examples of what climate change may do to s and others promoting economic fears, taxes, loss of jobs, Govt. Control, the Personal agendas of Individuals(like Gore etc), Hoax and Scam Conspiracies and the Like.
I've interpreted and implemented EU enviromental directives, granted only in 9 member states, take the WEEE directives that only really deal with heavy metal... implementing them in real life the solutions appear to move the issue from burying the metals of poisoning the land to smelting the goods and poisoning the atmosphere..
As a project manager, I like to succesfully deliver, so I got out of that as I felt I was not actually doing anything productive, not being sucesful and just moving the issue, which for me was no resolution to the problem.. I live in a port town and understand all to well what the impact would be..
Yes it has. I feel some times people have lumped science in with Politicians and Corporations.
and that is where I feel the problem lies.. in the way global warming has been spun by governments and the coporate world.. each day it appears to be turing more into a money making scheme than saving the world..
According to a recent study by scientists at the University of Texas, East Antarctica’s ice has started melting at a faster rate since 2006 which could do some serious destruction to the sea level
Why did you reply. Just to bash people that don't agree with you.
Originally posted by whattheh
reply to post by atlasastro
So WHY did you post this thread?
To bash anyone who does not bow down to you and say how right you are?
Why would I need to read what I wrote? I wrote it!
Go back and reasd your responses to my post. You are a rude sarcastic individual who clearly has your mind made up already.
We were not there back then. Which is why scientist think we are effecting it NOW. Can you show were in the past records we exist like we do today so as to ignore humanity and its activity.
If you can not see where they contradict themsleves in the artivcel (if you even read it) you are blind.
How did the ice age melt in the first place? We were not spewing green house gasses back then.
You are perpetrating a fraud that they are perpetrating a fraud and that I am helping them.
Yes they are perpetrating a fraud and you are helping them.
Go back to your scientifc website to spread your lies, we have enough of that here.
Which one of the scientists from the leaked e-mails are you?
That was taken out of context. That is the big out when you folks are busted huh?
What are the facts and what, if anything, can we do about it?
Originally posted by tamusan
I am not really sold on human activity causing any of this. I'm a science educated person, but I don't need any of that to understand something is truly going on.
Antarctica is losing ice from its larger eastern side as well as the western part, an indication the southernmost continent may add “significantly more” to rising seas, researchers in Texas said.