Chandrayaan discovers presence of magnetic spheres on the far side of the moon

reply to post by clay2 baraka


Well its still possible to induce an artificial magnetic field around a base with technology.
either way, you wouldn't have a INHABITED base without some form of shielding

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Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by clay2 baraka

 

Well its still possible to induce an artificial magnetic field around a base with technology.
either way, you wouldn't have a INHABITED base without some form of shielding

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Exactly, anyone who has taken electricity and magnetism courses will know you just have to run an electrical current through a piece of wire. Look at power lines. They generate quite good magnetic fields which a lot of people complain about.

Another angle would be:
If this is what the Indians say today - What will Nasa say tomorow?

The reports from Nasa are of magnetic fields on or just above the moon - Not spheres this is what intriques me the most.

Oh Boy.. A field and a sphere are two different things. To me, if it was picking up a field, it would say field. It did not say a field in the shape of a sphere! I have read all this thread and I am still no closer to knowing what a micro magnetic sphere is. How small is micro? The earth is micro compared to some planetary bodies.. there is a star that is 1000 times bigger than our sun.. and our Sun can hold at least 1000 earths!

So micro is from the prospective of the observer. Now, in the film Mood Rising, Jose says there are these things flying all over the moon - UFO's.. they could be metallic and therefore - magnetic spheres. The data was picking up UFO's and didn't know how to say that directly.... could be.. makes since to me.. But if not.. then what the heck are these magnetic spheres? Can we get a definite answer?



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Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by andrewh7

 

no they haven't found any alien shield generators. Any race advanced enough to have that technology on the moon would obviously have some kind of defensive system in place, to turn off the shield generators when foreign species are detected probing the area.

You may be correct. However, you fail to consider that such an advanced race would only feel the need to shut off their shield generators if they considered the human race to be a significant threat. I keep my porch lights on even though it gives away my location to the ants on my driveway. Also, you can't drop your shields when there's incoming radiation regardless of who is watching, especially if your alien-human hybrids are playing on the moon playground.

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reply to post by druid1


MAGNETIC FIELDS ARE SPHERICAL

the earth has a magnetosphere (= MAGNETIC SPHERE) around it. that sphere is not a cube. it is not a triangle. it is a sphere. Thats why it is called the magnetoSPHERE.

if you take a sphere and cut it in half, you get a dome. so half of the sphere is projecting out of the moon in the shape of a dome and the other half goes into the moon.

Then you need to understand the difference between macro and micro.

Macro means of the whole, micro means a portion of the whole.

so a macro magnetosphere would surround the whole planet. the earth has a macro magnetosphere. The sun has a macro magnetosphere. The moon COULD have a macromagnetosphere if it was volcanically active. The moon however has micro magnetospheres, because they do not cover the entire planet, only certain portions of it and are induced by magnetic remnants in the crust, not a rotating molten iron core.

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reply to post by JohnPhoenix

I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight on the use of the term "spheres". It seems to be a typical result of what happens when popular journalism gets a hold of scientific concepts. Or it could have something to do with the translation, "magnetosphere" gets turned into "spheres".

None of the more scientific reports use the term.
www.moondaily.com...
www.esa.int...

Originally posted by zeddissad
reply to post by space cadet

 

I didn't say that they can't be built. If you place right shaped magnet somewhere or power up such and such constructed electromagnet then you got a magnetosphere.
Earth magnetosphere is generated by rotation of outside part of globe against core - it's basically dynamo. Some metals may become very strong permanent magnets. What I pretend is that under moon surface are spots of such magnetized rock and "micro-spheres" are thus relatively small magnetic fields around those spots. It is consistent with theories of moon development.
That is my understanding of the article which is more plausible to common sense then mysterious unnatural spheres. I do not see any metal balls anywhere. May be I'm just blind.

As for "atom" thing:

SARA will be the first-ever energetic neutral atom imaging mass spectrometer used for planetary exploration.

I'm not specialist in the field but I understand this: SARA use some type of passive spectrometer - so this device do not use own energy to excite atoms but is based on solar wind/cosmic radiation energy input. SARA basically measure changes in solar/stellar energy reflected by Moon surface. Every molecule, every atom will somehow affect this reflection. That is my understanding. It doesn't mean that SARA is able to do "images with resolution of atoms" (my understanding of yours post) - that is field of electron microscopy.

Again I'm not any expert I just use common sense and public sources. You can easily find principles of spectrometry and realize why this setup is inovation.

EDIT to add:
As I think about it then SARA is type of automatic prospector looking for valuable sources.

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They didn't go into much detail for a find they are ecstatic about. I believe they are talking about magnetic sphere's of force that are on a moon that shouldn't really have any. They don't say how big or how small they are, just that they are spheres. I guess those spheres would be used as they say to help protect astronauts from radiation exposure due to the sphere/field.

But this has me thinking, why where the Indians so vague about what they where talking about? I mean if your going to go into discussion you would have commented or even said magnetic spheres of force instead of implying solid sphere's. We are on a conspiratorial site, and I intend to keep with the theme. I believe that the Indians are throwing out hints about how structures and beings can be on the moon or have been on the moon for centuries. What if that these magnetic spheres (of force) which we don't know how big (micro can mean alot, especially if your talking about a field as big as what the earth puts out. Micro could easily be as small as a few miles or Kilometers) they are supposed to be, are in fact over structures that are on the moon. And by them making comment about man being able to live alot longer on the moon my be their code speak for things have or are living on the moon in those areas.

Something quite weird is happening and I do believe that it may have something to do with disclosure. Why is it that we had to crash a rocket into the moon to check for water when a probe or multiple probes could have landed in and around that spot. Why is it that even though we sent people to the moon, the russians had 3 moon tanks moving around the surface on remote control. We could have easily landed LARGE tracked vehicles on the moon by remote to traverse areas in almost real time, etc. etc.. I believe we and a few nations found somthing and we decided to keep mum about it. Now that the old guard is dying where hearing more about disclosure and the Vatican having meetings about life on other planets and other nations wanting to take this seriously. Heck if there is ruins on the moon, it could easily be ours from a long lost earth civilization.

We went from the horse and buggy to the moon in under 90 years. We have evidence and are finding more that man may have had civilization alot longer than 5 to 6 thousand years ago. We could have had a golden age tens of thousands of years ago before the cataclysm that is spoken of across different societies on this planet. So if we where able to get to the moon under 90 years, how difficult would it have been for another civilization thousands of years ago to go to the moon (especially if they had some form of anti-gravity).

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that the ruins that are or may be on the moon are from one of our ancient civilizations.

reply to post by hoghead cheese


Or maybe the Indians didn't go into as much detail because they are not conspiracy nuts. They are professionals, and they know that most other professionals will read it as I did. There are small magnetospheres on the moon.

Amazing that people are trying to read so much into this... aliens, force fields, metallic balls, stuff that shouldn't be on the moon. Take a look at this. It describes magnetic fields on Mars and magnetoshperes. The ones on Mars are similar to those on the moon, I'm guessing, created by crustal magnetic fields:
mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov...
mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov...

reply to post by VonDoomen


Magnetic fields are not always spherical. There are cones, cylinders, grid lines, etc.

Also, "spheroid" is probably more correct, because even the Earth's field is not a true sphere. It is more like several teardrops combined. So, I think you are absolutely correct that not much can be read into the terminology used. Sphere is probably a generic term used after interpretation of the data.

reply to post by Zelong


"Micro magnetic spheres, detected at the atomic level..." must surely mean we are talking nano technology doesn't it? Seeded perhaps, as an artificial magnetosphere. If not of natural origin of course.

If the magnetic "spheres" on the moon are in fact like domes it is possible that humans or aliens have bases or ships on the moon.

The spherical magnetic field could serve 2 purposes. 1 to stop incoming radiation from the sun and 2 to generate a gravitational field so the people/aliens can move around under an earth type gravity environment.

According to Extended Heim Theory, a powerful magnetic field generated by a circular magnetic coil combined with a rapidly rotating ring/disc/flywheel/(liquid contained in a coil) above the magnetic coil would generate a gravitational field and could be used for propulsion. The German scientists who presented their paper to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics won an award for their work from the AIAA.

If the flywheel was under the magnetic coil it stands to reason that instead of generating a gravitational field that would propel the base away from the moon it would instead propel the base into the moon, since the base and moon are stationary it could conceivably generate a gravitational field much like the one we have on earth.


Without getting better details of the exact nature of the magnetic fields detected on the moon it is impossible to say what the phenomenon really is.

reply to post by spikey

There are no "micro magnetic spheres". They were not detected at the atomic level.

"This is the first step towards the confirmation of a theoretical suggestion that mini-magnetosphere can be produced," he said.

www.moondaily.com...

The importance of the discovery is not that the magnetism is there but that it influences the solar wind (like a "real" magnetosphere). We knew about the magnetism. We now know that it can protect the surface of the Moon from some (about 20%) of the solar wind, something that has been theorized. What was detected was molecular hydrogen leaving the Moon. It is protons from the solar wind being reflected by the magnetic bubble.


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Well that goes without saying. There are NO perfect spheres in nature. Yes, spheroid would be a better term, however I didnt think I would have to explain that deep. We've all graduated from highschool correct?

B/c we are talkng about planetary bodies, thats why im saying all magnetic fields are spherical, b/c all planetary bodies are spherical. If you had a long thin bar magnet, the field would still be a spheroid as it WILL NOT have any sharp ->corners

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


I don't want to cause any trouble by ramming into rational thinking here, but perhaps those magnetic fields are artificially created and not some natural phenomena. I suggest nothing but open-mindedness.

The words of Otto Struve bear repeating here (as is required frequently here on ATS): "...I believe that Science has reached the point whre it is necessary to take into account the actions of intelligent beings, in addition to the classical laws of physics."

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

reply to post by druid1

 

MAGNETIC FIELDS ARE SPHERICAL

the earth has a magnetosphere (= MAGNETIC SPHERE) around it. that sphere is not a cube. it is not a triangle. it is a sphere. Thats why it is called the magnetoSPHERE.

if you take a sphere and cut it in half, you get a dome. so half of the sphere is projecting out of the moon in the shape of a dome and the other half goes into the moon.

Then you need to understand the difference between macro and micro.

Macro means of the whole, micro means a portion of the whole.

so a macro magnetosphere would surround the whole planet. the earth has a macro magnetosphere. The sun has a macro magnetosphere. The moon COULD have a macromagnetosphere if it was volcanically active. The moon however has micro magnetospheres, because they do not cover the entire planet, only certain portions of it and are induced by magnetic remnants in the crust, not a rotating molten iron core.

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First off magnetic feilds are intrinsic* in the shape of the quontom spectricles*1 contained throughout this universe. Would occupy 2 demensionaly oval-istic space.

*1 Particles generated by any of form of molecular cohesion like formation of nucleatides during molecular bonding in the the body. magnetic fields are shaped like never ending inverting vortexes throughout space. Apature would eventally collapse on itself. keep in mind magnetism is a distance variable not a space ocupying one. The distance between two points in empty space is exactly the force magnetively speaking they will have on each other. However the space surrounding a spheriod wouldnt always be the same reactionary constant as the matter encased into its inside wouldnt always be at the same point in essence basic rotation of any two particulates in space - everything in existance unifications always has a counterpoint even to ones self.

All planetoids in space give off magnetic fields themselves from the simple rotations it makes based on all other gravitational factors - gravity is what in essence keeps these magnetic fields from being dispersed through out the galaxy. the planets with the strongest magnetic fields would be the ones occupying the most space based on over all density. a planet like jupiter would have the strongest of both fields in this solar system - jupiters super massive inner core creates most of its gravity within its confines. magnetic fields would limit the incoming radiated forms of light particles from the sun. Does protect allot of different types of life on earth including humanity. Very fragile when compared to other things in space. A magnetic reorientation - a slight tilt of the earth - caused by gravidic variance in occupying space - almost like invisable fluctuating waves in space.

The spheres themselves seem perhaps be magnatised water - water in a solid state of sphericle luiqification would be stuck in orbit until it got vaporized by the sun whenever that is. Being confined to a water based envirnment would deffinatly be more habitable than the surface of the moon. if you could somehow keep water liquified at all times perhaps by being completely encrusted on itself. This charged water would contain large amounts of carbon almost like the bubbles in a carbinated soda. Pure carbon is magnetic but would evenly distribute forming a 'spherical' shape in empty space.


So the collections inside magnetic fields themselves are spherical but not the entirety of the field istelf - other wise this would happen i mean if space in istelf was comepletly spherical planets and stars would become self contracting basicly would recombobulate on themselves before they ever were released. Mass releases of energy never happens in a completly shperical form no matter how well controlled. You can think of the matter confined in space spherical in ultimate formations but not the energy istelf shape would be much more non linear would almost have no edge more like folds on itself. Empty space is all potentail however Empty inertia* is not.


*the unprecievable barriers in space(not only non distance variabilistic but also non center variabilistic). Would be perhaps many tens of billions of parsecs away from our location but there nonetheless - would not be visable on a telescope as would just appear as empty space

Originally posted by Bobbox1980
If the magnetic "spheres" on the moon are in fact like domes it is possible that humans or aliens have bases or ships on the moon.

The spherical magnetic field could serve 2 purposes. 1 to stop incoming radiation from the sun and 2 to generate a gravitational field so the people/aliens can move around under an earth type gravity environment.

According to Extended Heim Theory, a powerful magnetic field generated by a circular magnetic coil combined with a rapidly rotating ring/disc/flywheel/(liquid contained in a coil) above the magnetic coil would generate a gravitational field and could be used for propulsion. The German scientists who presented their paper to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics won an award for their work from the AIAA.

If the flywheel was under the magnetic coil it stands to reason that instead of generating a gravitational field that would propel the base away from the moon it would instead propel the base into the moon, since the base and moon are stationary it could conceivably generate a gravitational field much like the one we have on earth.


Without getting better details of the exact nature of the magnetic fields detected on the moon it is impossible to say what the phenomenon really is.

Exactly what I was thinking. Because it was actually weird how the Indians made a big thing of this yet didnt' explain what they meant. It makes alot of sense, Imagine a civilization that is able to make artificial gravity or a shell of gravity in order to keep in air and/or to protect individuals that are in structures on the moon from being bombarded by radiation. Lets also say that said society or civilization decides after going to the moon to set up a camp or colony. They know the hazards and decide to take up residency in a crater but along the outside of the crater they form a ring that acts like what you described but instead of negating gravity, it is inverted someway to increase gravity. In so doing you create an area located on the moon (the crater) that is maybe half earth normal gravity or a full 1G. This keeps in air and makes it possible for them to build without using pressure suits, and depending on the setting it could have a function to block radiation.

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And this is directed at me specifically because...?

Originally posted by ghofer
Amazing that people are trying to read so much into this... aliens, force fields, metallic balls, stuff that shouldn't be on the moon. Take a look at this. It describes magnetic fields on Mars and magnetoshperes. The ones on Mars are similar to those on the moon, I'm guessing, created by crustal magnetic fields:
mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov...
mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov...

The magnetic fields on Mars were most likely caused by early plate tectonics on Mars that did not last very long.

I couldnt find the picture I wanted, but since a picture says a thousand words, here is a thousand words to make up for the picture.
nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

To sum it up, Mars has a banding pattern similar to Earth's mid ocean ridges. New crust forms here and the crystals in the crust line in accordance to the magnetic field. Whenever the magnetic field changes it creates a new "band" that is oriented in a new direction.