If even one good thing comes out of this, it will be that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be firewalled from obtaining health coverage from insurance companies. While we certainly need so much more, that in itself is a biggie.

Originally posted by charlyv
If even one good thing comes out of this, it will be that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be firewalled from obtaining health coverage from insurance companies. While we certainly need so much more, that in itself is a biggie.

Right on that BUT that could be done with 10 page bill. Don't eat 2000 pages of sh!t just to get ONE good thing. Demand the ONE good thing and dump the special interest crap.

Addressing CURRENT Medicade / Medicare Fraud, Simple tort reform, and expansion of insurance competitions across state lines can save us BILLIONS and could offer coverage to the uninsured through the Federal Employees Heathcare Program. All of this special interest taking is completely unnecessary.

[edit on 22-11-2009 by infolurker]

I don't know why candidate Obama made healthcare reform his number one
agenda item during the campaign since 85% of Americans have health
insurance. I suppose the 15% who do not have it need help in one way
or another, but that 15% shouldn't be our #1 Domestic Priority.

Originally posted by infolurker

Originally posted by charlyv
If even one good thing comes out of this, it will be that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be firewalled from obtaining health coverage from insurance companies. While we certainly need so much more, that in itself is a biggie.

Right on that BUT that could be done with 10 page bill. Don't eat 2000 pages of sh!t just to get ONE good thing. Demand the ONE good thing and dump the special interest crap.

E.G. The US Constitution is 17 pages. And it has lasted 175 years(yes, I know when it was written) and is one of the greatest government laws ever written.

Now, 1900-3000 pages(yes, I know it is currently appx 1900 pages) and you know why it is that long? Rhetorical, it is so they can actually institute any damn thing they want.

If they can manipulate a 17 page document, what makes you think they cannot manipulate a 2000 PAGE FRACKING MONSTROSITY.

Democrats are fracking morons. At least the Republicans have begun to see the error of their ways.

C'mon janky red and SG. Come and try to defend this fracking monstrosity!

[edit on 11/22/2009 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by charlyv
If even one good thing comes out of this, it will be that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be firewalled from obtaining health coverage from insurance companies. While we certainly need so much more, that in itself is a biggie.

I have such a huge problem with this argument. People need to understand that the insurance companies do "pre-existing conditions" because they would be losing a lot of money otherwise. It's a pretty sleazy tactic, but that's how it is. Not enough people buy insurance, because it's too expensive, so they have to resort to sleazy business practices to compensate.

This bill is going to force people to pay for health insurance, no matter what. Punishable by fines through the IRS and there is talk of even having prison sentences. We're talking an average minimum of 15,000 a year for basic care, if you're lucky. Forcing everyone to pay for insurance will only please the insurance companies. Getting such a huge influx of cash will allow them to toss pre-existing conditions out the window, because they can compensate elsewhere. This leaves them with other sleazy tactics that we haven't even dreamed of yet, like rationing care.

I myself, cannot afford health insurance and many people I know cannot either. The majority of Americans that can't afford health care do so because it's expensive and they would be living in a shack with barely a pot to piss in should they choose to buy it. Then 20 years goes by without a single illness or injury, and all that money goes to waste, especially after the insurance reps. say you have to pay for medications, certain procedures, etc. Seems like a colossal waste, doesn't it?

So yeah, yay, some people get health insurance now, while everybody else is going to suffer extremely poor lives. This will be the first tax in the history of the United States that makes you pay it no matter what, simply for living. You can choose not to work or receive unemployment, therefore not paying the IRS, and getting money another way. You can choose not to pay for home insurance, car insurance, etc.... You get the point. This is the first tax that is required from simply being alive, and the insurance companies Love it. They are not opposed to it.


The people who can't afford health insurance don't need a reform for health insurance. They need help trying to survive, they need the IRS to stop bending them over and screwing them in the ass. They need the government to stop being so draconian and imperial so they can stop and breathe, and survive. Fix those things, stop the out of control government, then these people will get health insurance on their own, because they will be able to exist...


[edit on 23-11-2009 by SyphonX]

Come on! Where all those people who were waving the soviet flag when obama was elected!!! Come on comrades! This is a glorious day for the peoples revolution!!! We are all going to see a huge spike in taxes and lose what little medical coverage you had!

Who says working for a living is beneficial!

/sarcasm

Apparently the people who voted for obama also didnt realize they were essentially voting for more taxation and less benefits. They are too concerned about people who might make slightly more money than them and to fix that problem, they will equalize everyone by taxing the middle class into oblivion!


People! you cannot EVER tax the elite or uber-rich. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. PERIOD. They have ways of protecting their money. Even in the Soviet Union there was the Elite!!!!

Did anyone ever stop to think why all of Hollywood supports the Dems? Dont they make more than 250K a year (remember Obama promised to only tax those whose personal income exceeded this limit ) Why would they support higher taxes upon themselves? Because they are just SO generous that they would like to donate some extra money to help the people? SURE.........

Marxist (now almost interchangeable with Democrat) philosophy has always been to have a 90% peasant base with a 10% Elite ruling class. No one in between, no one just "getting by" etc.

People be smart.... vote for someone who has a viable economic plan...something based in business and reality and not catch phrases and innuendos for communism.

Originally posted by endisnighe
Democrats are fracking morons. At least the Republicans have begun to see the error of their ways.

Yeah, until they are back in power. Then it will be back to business as usual! What we need are conservatives. Both the dems and reps can rot in hell!

Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by endisnighe
Democrats are fracking morons. At least the Republicans have begun to see the error of their ways.

Yeah, until they are back in power. Then it will be back to business as usual! What we need are conservatives. Both the dems and reps can rot in hell!

The problem with the republicans is that they are way to lax on taking a stand. They sit idly by while the Left all but painted GWB as Satan himself. No one ever once gave him credit for the horrible hand he was dealt during his presidencies. The Iraq invasion will always be touted as his greatest error and it was in my opinion. However, less than a year into his presidency there was 9/11. Then we had a nut case who was sending anthrax to everyone. Then the DC sniper, Columbia, and when everything looked like it was recovering you had Katrina and Kanye West claiming it was some racist act of GWB. To top it all off you also had a collapsing economy (everyone knew back 1999-2000 that the economy was heading downhill).

That is my biggest problem with Republicans, they don't fight back. Sure they got Fox news which tells their side though it is instantly demonized by everyone of the opposite political persuasion including our great comrade leader Obama (BTW his censorship of Fox News was unconstitutional in the extreme!). But other than that, nothing. They don't use the internet to gather young people (which there are a lot of us who are republicans) or find creative ways of gaining popular support. You cant have an old geezer, no matter how venerable he may be, be the spokesman for the republican party. That only re-enforces the idea of republicans = old rich white men who hate minorities (which is actually the dems but they have done a remarkable job of brainwashing the people that they exploit. didn't democrat use to be called "Confederate" ermmmmmm.

We don't need this 2000 page tax obsessive special interest catering, nonpartisan monstrosity.

Throw the whole damn thing in the shredder, and focus on two things:

1) Pre-existing condition clauses

2) Tort reform.