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Originally posted by rhinoceros
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by rhinoceros
You out there?
ru hiding from OT?
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by pmexplorer
I cannot get my head around (and I don't think humans are capable of)
that no matter what god you believe in, or what belief theory you have in relation to the universe and mankind, the final question can always be ''but who or what made that? Even if you believe in Jesus Christ and God Almighty,
where did he call home?
If this is the universe:
if it began by a single atom or particle or proton or whatever scientists claim
where did that little spark originate and who created it?
How could something come out of nothing?
It really does hurt the brain to delve that deep.
your question is TIME-BOUND...
slow down and think about it...
HE is not...
[edit on 30-11-2009 by OldThinker]
- Maker of everything that is not God Himself.
Originally posted by Phenomium
Just so ya know, Christianity even has an answer for the age old question of which came first ..the chicken or the egg.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
I have always just wanted to point that out and never got to. LOL. The `winged fowl`
or chicken....came first.
Originally posted by DisappearCompletely
There is no evidence for the existence of any god and an idea cannot be proven to not exist. It's a circular debate that will never end.
Originally posted by Ishmaael
I'd like to contribute to the purely logical side of this...
let's talk about infallibility.
1. Incapable of erring: an infallible guide; an infallible source of information.
2. Incapable of failing; certain: an infallible antidote; an infallible rule.
The Christian/Judeo/Muslim God is said to be infallible. How can we prove this to be false? Well, it's actually quite simple, and without any belief shattering piece of "evidence."
Ask this question to any person who believes in the infallibility of God: Can God create a stone so massive that he/she cannot lift?
This poses a paradox; if God CAN create the stone, than he CANNOT lift the stone, thus showing that God is NOT all powerful; if God CANNOT create the stone, than again God has failed.
This argument uses simple logic to assert that the very idea of an unerring, perfect, always correct, all-powerful being is a logic fallacy, thus impossible.
Originally posted by GideonHM
reply to post by OldThinker
If God were perfect, there would be no disharmony and pain and suffering would be a thing of the past and everyone could enjoy gumdrop rainbows and candycane forests.
Originally posted by karl 12
There are so many gods and goddesses to choose from that it seems petty (and a little arrogant) to support just one particular team.
When looked at objectively, 'Sorbek the Egyptian Crocodile God' has got exactly as much validity,plausibility and credibility as allah (or any other god from the abrahamic mythologies) so whats the point?
Odin has got to be one my favourites (with his two pet crows Memory and Knowledge) but ask yourself why you don't just unquestioningly believe in him and you'll have the beginning of the answer as to why people don't just mindlessly subscribe to your opinions.
A great book to read about this subject is Lee Strobel's "The case for a creator". It covers almost all the topics and evidence pointing to the existence of a creator. And if anyone is wondering what "solid evidence" there is, DNA is that evidence. Even in the most primitive single celled organisms, the sheer amount of information held and processed in DNA is just incredible- too incredible to be the product of chance.