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reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 07:40 PM by invernal
reply to post by ecoparity


I personally am contraindicated to taking it, my clinic even said so. So for me, I'll have to take my chances and survive some other way.

Not everyone infected died in the Spanish flu, remember. And they had no vaccine then. Just trying to throw some optimism into the mix. It's a potentially extremely bad situation coming down the pike, but not hopeless. No vaccine does not automatically mean death. Infection with a Spanish-flu-like illness may likely mean death, but not definitely.


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 07:50 PM by ecoparity
reply to post by invernal


There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic -

Better hygiene now vs. then

A lot of people have been vaccinated which might help limit the spread

Quite a few of us had the mild form, no one can tell us if we have immunity now though

Tamiflu and other antivirals seem to help except in a few tamiflu resistant cases (they all died).


The problem is the way this virus kills people. It's a horrible, nasty, painful way to go.

If I said, go through that door but every now and then, one out of a thousand will get a pit of spikes instead of a floor how many would choose to risk the odds?

For me it's not even myself, I don't want anything to happen to my kids. Especially not this. That's what worries me.


[edit on 22-11-2009 by ecoparity]


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 07:52 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by marg6043


True, I agree.. and it could be pneumonic, which can be a byproduct of flu it's self.. The number one cause of death related to "swine flu" is actually an impairment of the immune system, leading to a weaker defense and the eventual onset of much more deadlier diseases. For instance, most children that die either have pre existing conditions that deteriorate beyond repair during Flu, or develop other diseases like Meningitis which it's symptoms would appear flu like until they die.

I personally don't see this as any super virus of any kind.. just typical.

(The only differences I have with you is I have never rcvd a vaccine in my adult life, and never plan to.)


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 07:53 PM by Kailassa
Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by dgtempe


I just called the CDC to confirm this new information. She siad blood in the lungs is NOT a known complication of the swine flu or pnuemonia. She also said that OBESITY is NOT a known risk factor and she wishes people would stop saying so!



Swine Flu - Complication and Hospitalization Risks

Obese individuals (BMI 30 or higher) are in a state of mild "cytokine storm" making them vulnerable to influenza complications and death. A CDC report dated July 17, 2009 noted that of ten intensive care patients hospitalized (University of Michigan Health Center) for H1N1 influenza, nine were obese including seven who were severely obese (BMI 40 or higher). Three of these patients died due to complications. The report noted that "Clinicians should be aware of the potential for severe complications of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, particularly in extremely obese patients." Also, a study conducted by Beck out of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill noted that obese mice had a 40% mortality when exposed to H1N1 influenza as opposed to 4% mortality in non-obese mice.

www.kippihax.com...


Considering that the worst complication to swine flu is the cytokine storm, obese individuals are at quite a disadvantage.

So all you fatties, perhaps you should do my trick of juicing root ginger and limes like I do, freezing the mixture into ice-cubes and keeping them in a plastic bag in the freezer. Ginger is a great anti-inflammatory. Besides, they go beautifully with brandy. Prednisolone is another way to treat it, under medical supervision.
Alcohol, once one is infected with swine flu, avian flu or sars, is an absolute no-no. It worsens inflammation.

The CDC has to know blood in the lungs is a feature of swine flu because it features in so many reports of the 1918 pandemic. Most likely they have a policy of "not frightening the plebs".


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 08:11 PM by invernal
Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by invernal


For me it's not even myself, I don't want anything to happen to my kids. Especially not this. That's what worries me.


Of course. I have the same concerns for my loved ones (though the hemorrhagic pneumonia idea hasn't truly sunken into my mind yet). We can only all do our best with whatever resources we have.

Not to pry, but I assume you have to be there to take care of the kids (if they are young, who I gather probably already got the vaccine?) so... you have a backup plan of care for yourself in case of infection, yes?





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reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 08:39 PM by Kailassa
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Donkey_Dean


Sorry but in my neck of the woods in GA, the swine flu has died down even when it started, now pneumonia is going rampant.

Linking pneumonia to swine flu is wrong when pneumonia kills people all by itself and causes the lungs to fill with blood.

Statistics before the swine flu pandemic speaks by itself.



Yes, pneumonia is tending to follow on the tail of swine flu.

In my neck of the woods in Victoria, Australia, (with the highest rate of swine flu in the world,) I know of dozens of people who have recovered from swine flu and then developed pneumonia. And my daughter says nearly everyone at her workplace (~200 people) has done the same. Everyone seems to be quite recovered now, this hit here late march, like in Mexico, but we have pretty good food, health and living conditions, and free medicine. Very few people have died.

Having a condition affecting my heart, kidneys and lungs anyway, I got terribly ill. But, using natural remedies, particularly Tea-trea oil in hot milk with cinnamon and honey, I still got better without having to go to the hospital just a kilometre from my house.
- Perhaps one reason we can afford "socialised medicine" is that Australians are not inclined to go to the doctors more than absolutely necessary anyway.

With luck the mass exposure at this stage will make us immune to any nasty variants that turn up.

In any case, I believe we are safer working on our health and natural remedies than getting vaccinated.


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 08:53 PM by amatrine
A week after getting better from this flu, I having gall bladder problems. I was in the hospital and they were ready to take it out but the hida scan was normal so they sent me home. I can not eat, I am in constant pain, constant nausea.

I have to wait until the 30th to get in to see a surgeon. Meanwhile I am living on broth and jello. Make matters worse, I now have a cold. I think that flu knocked out my immune system. I feels so week I am afraid to have surgery.

This small town I live in has shots. They are giving them to anyone rite now at the store. No lines at all.

I am not sure what to believe when it comes to the shot, but me myself having had gulliane barre from a shot , will never take one again.

I am also afraid to go have surgery , 1, because they are not sure what is wrong, but you touch my GB and I jump 10 feet,lol. 2, I am worried about catching something there. When I was in there two weeks ago, there were 5 cases in isolation , bag on the front door, etc, that had the flu. I know because it was written on the boards outside the doors when I walked the floor. The nurses are wearing FULL respratory head masks on this floor, and in the ER. Not just the kind you wear on your mouth.

This is in Chandler Regional Hospital. I did not catch anything during my stay except a skin infection from the I.V line, but I had the flu three weeks before this stay. Still makes me nervous. I do not know if I am immune to it now or not.

Also, there was a flu patient that died in the room next to mine. They then had professionals in there sterilizing the room, I saw the big industrial ozone machine through the clear plastic they had yellow taped all over the door.
Very freaky stuff.

Want it add, it really bothers me that they have surgical people on this floor mixed with flu patients . Even in the ER, the woman sitting in the chair next to mine ( they do not have beds, but chairs to make more room) had the flu.
They knew I would probably need surgery, but left me next to her for 6 hours coughing all over the place.

[edit on 22-11-2009 by amatrine]


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 08:53 PM by Kailassa
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by dreamseeker


One thing I've always done when I felt the flu coming on was to take a teaspoon or so of the hottest hot sauce I happened to have and put it to the back of my throat and tilt back fast. If you do it right it doesn't burn your mouth. The capaecins in the hot sauce create a microclimate in your throat that the virus can't handle well, it reduces the severity considerably. You need to do it every 2-3 hours for about 24 hrs or so.


I do something similar making a hot drink with cider vinegar and ascorbic acid powder and honey or juice to make it palatable. It rips the dead cells off your throat and fixes infections fast. For really bad throat infections or tonsillitis, I have a bottle of cider vinegar that's full of bird's-eye chillies.

However the mutated swine flu moves down to the lungs so fast that you also need something for them. I'd recommend a bit of tea-tree oil in the hot water and sliced onions. They are both very powerful remedies.


reply posted on 22-11-2009 @ 09:10 PM by DontTreadOnMe
reply to post by ecoparity


If most (or all) of the flu fatalities are due to the cytokine storm, knowing how to prevent said strom should be of utmost interst to all of us:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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