reply to post by ecoparity
Ecoparity, I must respectfully disagree with several of you statements in previous postings.
“The fact that the 1918 virus was able to evolve on its own, in nature with no manipulation from humans means it can happen again and most likely,
That's what everyone is worried about. Even though we've been incredibly lucky so far this virus has all the tools it needs to do another 1918 run
and wipe out 5 percent of the population again. There are various reasons why we think it hasn't yet and unfortunately all of those are just a matter
While it may have initially evolved on its own, it seems to me H1N1 had a lot of recent human help in bringing back its most recent incarnations. It
appears to me to have had direct and overt manipulation from humans, plain and simple. I also do not believe that we have been “incredibly
From the CDC
“With the appearance of a new H2N2 pandemic strain in 1957 ("Asian flu"), the direct H1N1 viral descendants of the 1918 pandemic strain
disappeared from human circulation entirely, although the related lineage persisted enzootically in pigs. But in 1977, human H1N1 viruses suddenly
"reemerged" from a laboratory freezer (9). They continue to circulate endemically and epidemically.”
In my opinion those that made the choice to dig up this Frankenstein virus (Dr. Taubenberger and his Armed Forces Institute of Pathology team) may
have risked more by providing some of the most dangerous genes for recombination even if accidentally.
“Rather than giggling like village idiots and passing judgment on others perhaps we should all just be damn grateful if that comes to pass. We may
deserve to be taught a lesson in humility by nature but I still hope it doesn't happen.”
I don’t feel so damn grateful that this appears to have been tracked down, recovered, manipulated and now some of these very dangerous genes now
mysteriously reappearing. I feel pretty upset about it. Humanity doesn’t deserve to “be taught a lesson” That sentiment sounds suspiciously
like the Prince Phillip reincarnation comment about wishing to come back as a deadly virus that wipes out most of humanity. If there are people who
appear to have harvested this and then reengineered the re-release of these deadly genes then they are the ones who should be punished, not my
children, not the rest of humanity.
“The current H1N1 virus is not identical to the 1918 virus. They have similar compositions and effects but the current virus is not in any way a
release of the 1918 samples.”
Of course they are not the same. But what is the same are some of the more dangerous genetic mutations that have not been seen since 1918 such as the
1918 RBD D225G, and Neuraminidase Q249 residue from both 1918 N1H1 and H5N1. What really scares me is if it gets more genetically similar to H5N1.
a good discussion on D225G and Q249:
“The swine flu was not "lost to the World", if anything you could say just the samples of the 1918 version were buried away in the bodies of
victims. After a number of close call pandemics involving swine flu the scientific community was very concerned that a repeat of 1918 was coming and
felt it would be worthwhile to exhume samples for study.”
Of course it was not “lost to the world” but being buried in permafrost is not exactly in circulation either. In fact the conditions necessary to
preserve it were very specific and unlikely.
“TAUBENBERGER: "I see no chance for the virus to survive under any natural conditions. Permafrost fluctuates between about -10 C and +4 C, which is
a temperature zone ideally suited to kill influenza viruses. [To have survived the last eighty years intact] would have required a sample to be frozen
continuously in liquid nitrogen, or be stored in a -70 C freezer.”
The bottom line for me is that the vaccine manufactures appeared to select for strains carrying D225G and their selection has been apparently
successful. This makes it even more obvious that they are not our friends and the vaccine is not really intended to help humanity. There have been
many toxic side effects of vaccination over the years and the current vaccines are no different.
Anyway, I am not intending to be disrespectful, just disagreeing with some of your statements and conclusions and expressing my thoughts on a few
things. I do enjoy your postings however, and I am wishing you and all ATS’ers a very happy holiday season.
Just my onions anyway for whatever they are worth.
Kindest regards to all