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Originally posted by dreamseeker
early on I tried to compare the early sequences of the 1918 flu with the 2009 but I had little success.
Has anyone seen the sequences compared to the 1918 flu? Are they avaiblable yet?
The current S-OIV (swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus) lineage carries three gene segments that share, with the human seasonal virus, a common decent from the 1918 H1N1 virus. Indeed, whereas 1918 influenza A (H1N1) virus likely emerged sumultaniously from birds to humans and swine, S-OIV probably emerged from swine to humans. This was likely the result of a reassortment between two influeza A (H1N1) swine viruses. These two viruses were actually the products of at least four independant avian-to-mamalian cros-species transmission. During this process of evolution there were at least four reassortments of gene segments among avian, human and swind-adapted viruses.  New England Journal of Medicine;361:279-85
Genomic analysis indicates that it is closely related to common reassorment swine influenza A viruses that have been isolated in North America, Europe, and Asia in the last 20 years. [4-6]
4. The origin of the recent swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infecting humans. Euro Surveill 2009;14: 19193
5. Virus Investigation Team. Emergence of a novel swine-origine influenza A (H1N1) Virus Investigation Team. Emergence of a novel swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus in humans. New England Journal of Medine 2009;360:2605-15
6. Antigenic and genetic charachteristics of swine-origin 2009 A (H1N1) influenza viruses circulating in humans.Science 2009;325:197-201.
Preliminary studies showed that six genomic segments of the
virus, including the HA, were related to swine viruses from North
America and the remaining two (coding for the NA and M proteins)
were from swine viruses isolated in Europe and Asia [8,9].
China reports 8 cases of mutated swine flu virus By GILLIAN WONG (AP) – 5 hours ago
BEIJING — China has detected eight people infected with mutated forms of the swine flu virus, a health official said Wednesday, but flu drugs and vaccines still work against it. Flu viruses mutate easily, and scientists have been closing watching for signs that the swine flu virus is changing, which could make it more dangerous or more infectious. Shu Yuelong, director of the Chinese National Influenza Center, told the official Xinhua News Agency that the mutated swine flu virus found in China was in "isolated" cases in the mainland, is not resistant to drugs and can be prevented by vaccines. The report did not provide any more details, such as when the cases were detected and if they were linked to any deaths. Calls to the National Influenza Center rang unanswered while the Health Ministry did not immediately respond to a faxed list of questions. The World Health Organization's spokeswoman in Beijing, Vivian Tan, said the agency had no information on the cases mentioned in the Xinhua report Wednesday. On Friday, the WHO said it was looking into two deaths and one severe case linked to variant swine flu in Norway, after that country's Institute of Public Health announced that the mutation could possibly cause more severe disease because it infects tissue deeper in the airway than usual. The same mutation has been found in both fatal and mild cases elsewhere, including in Brazil, Japan, Mexico, Ukraine, and the United States, said the WHO. Tan said the agency is aware of three such cases in China that occurred in June and July that were similar to the cases being investigated in Norway. "We are concerned, but realize that influenza viruses, including A/H1N1, are relatively unstable and change easily, especially as they infect more people," Tan told The Associated Press. "Some mutations can have minimal effects on how a virus functions, while other mutations can create important changes with significant public health impact." China's Health Ministry said Wednesday that 51 swine flu deaths were reported last week, bringing the total number of fatalities in the country to 104. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Originally posted by ecoparity
Gibb's paper was complete back in May, I wonder why he waited until now to finally publish it?
I love how people see the facts and then just go into hyper space with the conspiracy immediately.
Gibbs is not saying the current virus was mixed together in a lab and set free. There's one component of the virus' evolution that even the paper I posted thinks came out of a vaccine lab accident but that accident would had to have occurred between 1970 and 1977. If you folks want to believe that someone did that on purpose way back then in order to create the pandemic of today then no amount of science education in the Universe is going to help you.
As usual people will cherry pick what they think supports the weirdness but will ignore the metric ton of evidence that says they are reading it wrong.
People should read the paper, even Gibb's says "while a laboratory origin for the OSI-v isolate (the 1977 part I mentioned) cannot be ruled out a natural origin is far more likely."
He submitted the paper for peer review back in May and the entire scientific community rejected it because of the way it was written.
[edit on 25-11-2009 by ecoparity]
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by On the Edge
Have you read any of the numerous times I and several others have patiently explained exactly why the flu virus is useless as a military bioweapon?
It is uncontrollable. Fire is a weapon of war, too, but no general would set fire to the entire world as a strategy. To be useful as a weapon the weapon must not be indiscriminate, you need to be able to target it specifically. It is impossible to do this with flu virii because they mutate too fast and too unpredictably.
Damn, I'm tired of debunking this idea. It is obvious and simple to prove how useless it is as a weapon with a little thought. Bioweapons are made from things with DNA, not RNA, things that are predictable and controllable.
It’s a big universe and amazing coincidences do happen.
But the coincidence of the same genes occurring in the “Novel” A/2009/H1N1 virus which supposedly arose without known precedent on a pig farm in Veracruz, Mexico in April, 2009 and
~ Baxter, Novartis and GSK entering patents for the novel virus, which did not yet exist, between 2006 and 2008
~ Novartis’ A/2009/H1N1 vaccine being pulled from the shelves by the FDA in February, 2009 for “labeling inconsistencies”
~ “Lost” pandemic genes from the 1918 “Spanish” Flu (which was not Spanish at all, but born and bred in the good ole’ USA in the heart of Kansas at Ft. Riley) appearing in the “Novel” virus. That means, if we are to believe the official story of the “Novel” virus appearing out of nowhere, that the genetic sequence lost to the world after the end of the Spanish Influenza Pandemic (which killed nearly 50 million people world wide) suddenly reappeared in the “Novel A/2009/H1N1 virus, whole and in tact, by the magic of re-assortment, or natural selection or the roll of the genetic dice or the luck of the viral draw. Oddly, that most deadly of genetic sequences, lost to the world until a frozen Alute woman was exhumed and deprived of some of her contaminated lung tissue, was recreated in 2005 after nearly a decade of painstaking, US Government-sponsored genetic sleuthing to find and then recreate it by Dr. J. K. Taubenberger and associates and now just happens, HAPPENS, mind you, to show up in the brand new, never before seen “Novel” A/2009/H1N1 virus. ______beforeitsnews/story/0000000000000552. WOW! Somebody thinks we are collectively dumber than the dumbest rock.
D225G Swine flu mutation - Same receptor as 1918 Spanish flu pandemic found in Ukraine virus
According to analysis of genetic testing done by the World Health Organization, the Ukraine flu virus is an H1N1 mutation that is similar to the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic.
The H1N1 mutation in the Ukraine also includes the symptoms of bleeding in the lungs, and has been described as an infection that completely destroys the lungs.