The hackers of the world who built the Internet and made the Internet what it is today will never let this happen. There is always a way round things, exploits will be released, then they will be patched - it will continue like this forever, an endless loop.

Who is to say you get 3 strikes yet you never downloaded anything? For example, a hacker can hijack your wireless network and use that internet account to download illegal files and the person who owns the account will get the 3 strikes, not the hacker. People could get setup, they could never do this, it will cause protests, riots and more cost more money at the end of the day.

The hacxkers were like the original revolutionary rebels.

Now they're going straight and are becoming 'The Man'.

Many are working in private industry designing new security and actuall hacking prevention methods.

Some of the best ones, caught or suspected, are making big bucks working for the US govet, military, CIA. Trying to outwit their Chines and other foreign counterparts trying to hack into US financial and military intelligence.

These same hackers, like the 60s radicals, now middle class and comfortably making huge salaries, will soon be figuring out how to track the newest wave of hackers. I know two people doing this already.

More to come. You watch!

Insanity. They must be insane.

This is a bill that needs to go before parliament before becoming law and by mid 2010, there will be a general election so it is unlikely that this will become law as this Labour Government will want to spend what little time parliament has in putting bills in to law that will make the British people vote Labour.

I think Mandelson is going to fall foul of a group of people I am very fond of. The one, the only, 'Anon'.

ANON - I ask you to hack Mandelsons life out of existence. His bank accounts, his national insurance, his credit rating, everything about him, hack it to bits. Show the scumbag we wont be 'mandy-handled'.

And if that doesn't work - there's always option 7. I am very fond of option 7 as well, especially in this case. I think it's about time someone showed this evil little troll a roll of duct-tape and a cueball in a football sock.

The Para.

Eventually the great "pole shift" in law enforcement will happen .

Everything will be made illegal. Then law enforcement, on a case by case basis will simply decide whether or not to throw you in jail.

[edit on 22-11-2009 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Eventually the great "pole shift" in law enforcement will happen .

Everything will be made illegal. Then law enforcement, on a cases by case basis will simply decide whether or not to throw you in jail.

An economy where hundred of thousands if not millions are employed in recording, analyzing, documenting, filing reports, on everyone else -and then arresting prosecuting, incarcerating everybody - doesn't work.

A few serious cases and the odd random one to set an example at best.

It would be like arresting and imprisoning everyone who smoked a j, had illegal sex, cheated on their taxes, falsified information, etc.

Security, legal system, and prison facilities already drain the economy. They want less, not more.


M

Ugh, how ridiculously overbearing. But as long as the entertainment industry is happy that's all that matters! Even if it means treating us like criminals!

Oh Mandy...

To all my friends on the other side of the big pond, if you can stop this - please do.

The information control nonsense is - in and of itself - out of control.

Perhaps we will come to the day when knowledge is illegal.

They train our communities to be media addicts, demanding entertainment as a matter of course, and then want to control what you do to satisfy the desire they injected into the culture.

They seize artistic expression to suck profit from it, and stoke the fires of interest, to make it more profitable still.... but they want perpetual ownership of the art.

You go into a museum and heaven forbid you take a photograph. You hear a song you like and must resist the temptation to record it, but they do. Its all so, transparent.

Originally posted by logican
This is just another baseless story under an attention grabbing headline with more in common with fiction than fact. If I write a book, compose a song, paint a picture,take a photograph or do any other form of creative work the intellectual property belongs to me unless if I do so under contract to another party in which case it may continue to be so, or be shared or wholly owned by a third party but regardless it ain't yours. Why on earth do people assume other's creative work is theirs also? What applies to the "entertainment industry" applies to individuals also. You wouldn't shoplift but cyber shoplifting is totally ok is it?

The only valid arguement I could find in the original post was the level on which privacy would be upheld online. That's a discussion worth having but if people are gonna go up in arms cause they can't steal anything they like then that is a big problem right there.

Were as I have a problem with punishment without trial, conviction without evidence.. those are quite weighty issues on there own.. and this from the generation that rebelled and listend to pirate radio stations that swamped our airwaves, which they didn't pay for either.. pot kettle black...

Don't worry about any of this new law they're bringing out - there is no way of implementing it.

They cannot tell in an easy way what you are downloading - only where it's coming from.

This whole law is a psychological implementation of law because they are assuming that you THINK they know MORE than YOU!

Learn your stuff.

Learn how to hack.

Start empowering yourselves and your children!

Originally posted by loglady




ermm..... i think he was joking buddy.....

I don't see the humour?

Originally posted by Stanton Dowd
Don't worry about any of this new law they're bringing out - there is no way of implementing it.

I agree, to a point. This bill doesn't really change anything, in fact, apart from the "3 strikes" policy, nothing changes. Anti-p2p will still keep watching swarms of peers, they'll still log data from those peers, they will still compile lists and post them off to ISPs. ISPs will still compile lists of account holders based on that data, ISPs will still inform their subscribers a notice of infringement has been filed and by court order, ISPs will still disclose account details to third parties. Nothing in this bill forced an ISP to pro-actively tackle filesharing, it is all after the fact.

What people don't seem to understand that you sign an agreement with your ISP. Part of that agreement will specifically state that your ISP can cancel your service at any time if you are in violation of specific parts of that agreement, and one of those parts will be that you will ensure that your service is not used to commit any crime. Your ISP already has the power to disconnect you whether you like it or not, yet you hear nobody crying about that even though it's been a standard clause for years.

[edit on 22-11-2009 by quackers]

Originally posted by quackers

Originally posted by loglady

ermm..... i think he was joking buddy.....

I don't see the humour?

Really? I thought it was quite funny

I wonder how far they will go and if this will get through without opposition? I'm guessing anything Mandy/Labour does up to the next election will be contested..

Originally posted by logican
Why on earth do people assume other's creative work is theirs also? What applies to the "entertainment industry" applies to individuals also. You wouldn't shoplift but cyber shoplifting is totally ok is it?

if people are gonna go up in arms cause they can't steal anything they like then that is a big problem right there.

ARE YOU FOR BANNING THE STAR TREK REPLICATOR TOO?

Originally posted by mmiichael
An economy where hundred of thousands if not millions are employed in recording, analyzing, documenting, filing reports, on everyone else -and then arresting prosecuting, incarcerating everybody - doesn't work.

Yes, that's what we are moving toward, if we don't have it already. That's why we will eventually get (in the worst case scenario) the law enforcement "pole shift." A huge chunk of red tape can be cut out of the system.

Security, legal system, and prison facilities already drain the economy. They want less, not more.

I agree, but I think they want control and will do whatever it takes to achieve it.

They have privatized the prison system to a large extent in the US. As long as these things can be integrated into a completely corporatized (fascist) social and economic continuum, there is no problem.

I am exaggerating to make a point here. We are drifting toward a situation where we have less and less rights. The Bush administration took strong initiatives in that direction. I'm merely extrapolating to the logical outcome of a trend like that when I talk about a "pole shift" in law enforcement.

There have been regimes on this planet where what I am describing would not be considered far fetched at all.

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No one would buy this much music or films anyway. It is totally unreal and this industry will slowly go down as it should because it has lost all quality and it needs to produce crap on a daily basis, just like any other porn.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

Originally posted by logican
This is just another baseless story under an attention grabbing headline with more in common with fiction than fact. If I write a book, compose a song, paint a picture,take a photograph or do any other form of creative work the intellectual property belongs to me unless if I do so under contract to another party in which case it may continue to be so, or be shared or wholly owned by a third party but regardless it ain't yours. Why on earth do people assume other's creative work is theirs also? What applies to the "entertainment industry" applies to individuals also. You wouldn't shoplift but cyber shoplifting is totally ok is it?

The only valid arguement I could find in the original post was the level on which privacy would be upheld online. That's a discussion worth having but if people are gonna go up in arms cause they can't steal anything they like then that is a big problem right there.

Were as I have a problem with punishment without trial, conviction without evidence.. those are quite weighty issues on there own.. and this from the generation that rebelled and listend to pirate radio stations that swamped our airwaves, which they didn't pay for either.. pot kettle black...

Um, punishment without trial and conviction without evidence? What did you base that on? Because the OP said it? Let me know. And as for pirate radio stations swamping the airwaves, well, i'd debate with you the "swamping" part but regardless didn't you have to tune into them, so that would be kinda like a choice yeah? So basically the people who rebelled had a choice, listen to free music on a national/commercial station or listen to free music on a pirate station. That's some rebellion. Unless you are referring to the pirate stations themselves and their choice of music, which comes to to an artistic choice if you will, but without paying the fees that the other stations did to air the music. But I guess you are all for everything being owned by you. I guess all the design work i've done is yours too. What an attitude. Does my identity belong to you too. Shall I post under your name and attribute everything I say to you or would you prefer to have intellectual control over these things?

[edit on 22-11-2009 by logican]